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From: Carlo Pisani <>
To: John David Anglin <>
Cc: Parisc List <>
Subject: Re: C3600, sata controller
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 10:22:43 +0200
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> "In PCI, a transaction that cannot be completed immediately

I think this *is* the only reason for failure, and it's compatible
with what I observe. The failure usually happens only when moving big

one day ago, on a second C3600 (yes, we have two workstations), we
spent 10 hours at moving small files (<10Mbyte) on a "SY-PCX40009"
"Silicon Image Sil3124" SIL24 card, with a sleep of 2 seconds between
each copy, and we registered zero failures.

Whereas, when copying a file bigger than 8Gbyte files we had a
probability of 0.97 to end with a PCI error on the bus, and repeating
the test, this usually happened within 10 minutes.

results were the same if the card was plugged in PCI_SLOT2 (3.3V), or
PCI_SLOT1 (5V): all the same behavior!

what do I conclude? the voltage of signals is OK, the onboard
voltage-level-shifter was doing a good job, so I think that it all a
timing problem: the less an I/O task takes the PCI bus busy, the best
it is.

maybe, interrupt problem? some got lost? how to investigate the exact
reason for the failure?
did a PCI transaction fail when recycled? or did it fail due to interrupt lost?

The MSI stuff is too complex and I haven't understood it, the wiki
seems confusing to me, and we do not have it enabled in the kernel

anyway, if it's a firmware problem, all related to the firmware
running the SATA card, it may be fixed by a kernel driver forcing the
chip into PCI64 mode.

I am surprised that a PCI-X chip isn't able to switch into PCI64 mode.
Cards are usually declared "backward compatible", and it would be just
a matter of "how" to handle the finite state machine that drives the
PCI, plus the onboard PLL and synchronization.

> Here are some Adaptec 64-bit cards that I found.

as written here (1), we have already tested Adaptec 2410SA, and I have
also recently received an email by AlanCox confirming that the card is

        Subsystem: Adaptec AAR-2410SA PCI SATA 4ch (Jaguar II)

It fails on every non-x86 machine because it relies on PC-BIOS
extension for the initialization of the onboard Intel i960 chip, and
we do not have any Linux kernel driver able to do what the PC-BIOS

I had opened a BUG report to a Linux mailing list, and Alan Cox
replied to me privately.

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Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-01 21:45 linux-next: Signed-off-by missing for commit in the parisc-hd tree Stephen Rothwell
2019-05-02  5:48 ` Helge Deller
2019-05-12 20:44   ` C3600, sata controller Carlo Pisani
2019-05-12 20:49     ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-12 21:10     ` John David Anglin
2019-05-12 21:15       ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-13 23:14         ` John David Anglin
2019-05-13 23:24           ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-13 23:47             ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-14  1:50               ` John David Anglin
2019-05-14  8:22                 ` Carlo Pisani [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <>
2019-05-14 12:10                   ` John David Anglin
2019-05-14 12:29                     ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-14 12:57                       ` C3600, optical Fibre Channel, any card? Carlo Pisani
2019-05-14 13:01                       ` C3600, sata controller Sven Schnelle
2019-05-14 14:23                         ` John David Anglin
2019-05-17 15:43                           ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-17 17:21                             ` Helge Deller
2019-05-17 18:05                               ` John David Anglin
2019-05-17 18:25                                 ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-13 15:10     ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-13 21:58       ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-17 17:31     ` Carlo Pisani
2019-05-25  8:59     ` Carlo Pisani

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