From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703C3C433EF for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 15:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E8061019 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 15:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233150AbhISPPN (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Sep 2021 11:15:13 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54120 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230503AbhISPPM (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Sep 2021 11:15:12 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48442C061574; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id q3so18667722iot.3; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vbpoc8nlnfHxnI+l9mWkkIGQVWPI3MGONh3p7LPE7MI=; b=VM30cLMK8vCJPnDOrNVJVLKgaM108XQCUD2FUTn/7VOT0R6gTL8DYA/S/xiXNWm3y1 AayprkuIsnStSNKMVtZw9+Rz5oK+ArUk7DLq906so7hRzOsWC3/sVc+Y/QqCm7iMprv0 U8iDp/brT1ry6/RqaBObVVPa+OTrlnZw899bln5L0UtucSwwW92pgbh7X8PHCkukvBsU Quk23h8w4lJ1Qf+KMkotX488eh7zOcdVmMAns5HQucqLfUTR4GVZTRA7nVMXWqRUo/Z+ urYeOW/Bh4ymu4grYu4TS/06TjUcAi4d6pUyQGoYzPKqLYLROPr7FwkTthR//Myx8lT1 4/IQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vbpoc8nlnfHxnI+l9mWkkIGQVWPI3MGONh3p7LPE7MI=; b=FWgagt+/1A20KZv2EdGNadKtNtPKK7t7Z2fFfLSXvtJO+8QGnKXWacgWUo9G8k+g3e 9c9BgvXYRXXc6pyWU53xP4fbSQC2ZYsI8AND9Ep0l9Jpudra7pdqAf5YEl/8tHjReBz9 0ubJXlioUse9poRE72vRvH1GfVGSQxWhO/dCFmFPKLMZGDefySvM/aGWnOrCPJGqHB+I FKwocoKLrTtf66PZEEgpjPcn4MqhJz+r77nnhzEXrV7stUWYY/nt4QU9eYFxhKGoMjEk JPt/sDEMnoTs93H+xqJWBlHNbOZ+iAFyl0AGg+iLD0U3aDmHNvY/v3b3X2vYXPkJynjM 0s7g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533irDzpGMy6vzC+HSJqKiAv9JffFh/DiMxnd95xKrAxNzHtMzjp 4L22Wna7JfsvWVabVKavVToK+47fHsIaRWGlG7w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxguGzRMzwC4iYM/5nKX7PT6FRrg4dZ2/gqzY3RezIzCOEE0tCc8v4TTygFXyyDdCl+gaGST3J79azJLga7LOM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:180e:: with SMTP id t14mr602481ioh.204.1632064426701; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:13:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202109182026.18IKQLng003683@valdese.nms.ulrich-teichert.org> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:13:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Introduce and use absolute_pointer macro To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Ulrich Teichert , Michael Cree , Guenter Roeck , Richard Henderson , Ivan Kokshaysky , Matt Turner , "James E . J . Bottomley" , Helge Deller , "David S . Miller" , Jakub Kicinski , alpha , Geert Uytterhoeven , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, Netdev , Sparse Mailing-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 8:01 AM Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > Oh well. I have an odd love-hate relationship with alpha. > > I think it's one of the worst architectures ever designed (memory > ordering is completely broken, and the lack of byte operations in the > original specs were a big reason for the initial problems and eventual > failure). > > But at the same time, I really did enjoy it back in the day, and it > _was_ the first port I did, and the first truly integrated kernel > architecture (the original Linux m68k port that preceded it was a > "hack up and replace" job rather than "integrate") As a side note, I loved the Alpha, too. Compared to the VMS port I was too often working on in the 90s, having Linux run on it was a joy, and for years I used my remaining older alpha boxes as firewalls, trusting in the oddity of the architecture to resist various and sundry attacks. I retired the last one well over a decade back. RIP. > > Linus --=20 Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC