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From: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>,
	Lucas De Marchi <lucas.demarchi@intel.com>,
	Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, rafael@kernel.org, song@kernel.org,
	lucas.de.marchi@gmail.com, christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu,
	peterz@infradead.org, rppt@kernel.org, dave@stgolabs.net,
	willy@infradead.org, vbabka@suse.cz, mhocko@suse.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, colin.i.king@gmail.com,
	jim.cromie@gmail.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, jbaron@akamai.com,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, yujie.liu@intel.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, hch@lst.de, patches@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pmladek@suse.com,
	prarit@redhat.com, lennart@poettering.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] module: add support to avoid duplicates early on load
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 09:57:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZHd8bLPY4OQCb/Z5@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <499e30cc-d015-8353-1364-50d17da58f47@redhat.com>

On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 09:51:41AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 30.05.23 18:22, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> > On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 09:55:15PM -0400, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 11:18 AM Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I took a closer look at some of the modules that failed to load and
> > > > noticed a pattern in that they have dependencies that are needed by more
> > > > than one device.
> > > 
> > > Ok, this is a "maybe something like this" RFC series of two patches -
> > > one trivial one to re-organize things a bit so that we can then do the
> > > real one which uses a filter based on the inode pointer to return an
> > > "idempotent return value" for module loads that share the same inode.
> > > 
> > > It's entirely untested, and since I'm on the road I'm going to not
> > > really be able to test it. It compiles for me, and the code looks
> > > fairly straightforward, but it's probably buggy.
> > > 
> > > It's very loosely based on Luis' attempt,  but it
> > >   (a) is internal to module loading
> > >   (b) uses a reliable cookie
> > >   (c) doesn't leave the cookie around randomly for later
> > >   (d) has seen absolutely no testing
> > > 
> > > Put another way: if somebody wants to play with this, please treat it
> > > as a starting point, not the final thing. You might need to debug
> > > things, and fix silly mistakes.
> > > 
> > > The idea is to just have a simple hash list of currently executing
> > > module loads, protected by a trivial spinlock. Every module loader
> > > adds itself to the right hash list, and if they were the *first* one
> > > (ie no other pending module loads for that inode), will actually do
> > > the module load.
> > > 
> > > Everybody who *isn't* the first one will just wait for completion and
> > > return the same error code that the first one returned.
> > 
> > That's also a hell much more snazzier MODULE_DEBUG_AUTOLOAD_DUPS if we
> > ever wanted to do something similar there if we wanted to also
> > join request_module() calls, instead of it hiding under debug.
> > 
> > > This is technically bogus. The first one might fail due to arguments.
> > 
> > For boot it's fine, as I can't think of boot wanting to support trying
> > to load a module with different arguments but who knows. But I can't
> > see it sensible to issue concurrent multiple requests for modules
> > with different arguments without waiting in userspace for the first
> > to fail.
> > 
> > Even post-boot, doing that sounds rather insane, but it would certainly
> > be a compromise and should probably be clearly documented. I think just
> > a comment acknolwedging that corner case seems sensible.
> > 
> > Because we won't be able to get the arguments until we process the
> > module, so it would be too late for this optimization on kread. So it is
> > why I had also stuck to the original feature being in kread, as then it
> > provides a uniq kread call and the caller is aware of it. But indeed I
> > had not considered the effects of arguments.
> > 
> > Lucas, any thoughts from modules kmod userspace perspective into
> > supporting anyone likely issuing concurrent modules requests with
> > differing arguments?
> > 
> > > So the cookie shouldn't be just the inode, it should be the inode and
> > > a hash of the arguments or something like that.
> > 
> > Personally I think it's a fine optimization without the arguments.
> > 
> > > But it is what it is,
> > > and apart from possible show-stopper bugs this is no worse than the
> > > failed "exclusive write deny" attempt. IOW - maybe worth trying?
> > 
> > The only thing I can think of is allowing threads other than the
> > first one to complete before the one that actually loaded the
> > module. I thought about this race for module auto-loading, see
> > the comment in kmod_dup_request_announce(), so that just
> > further delays the completion to other thread with a stupid
> > queue_work(). That seems more important for module auto-loading
> > duplicates than for boot finit_module() duplicates. But not sure
> > if odering matters in the end due to a preemtible kernel and maybe
> > that concern is hysteria.
> > 
> > > And if *that* didn't sell people on this patch series, I don't know
> > > what will. I should be in marketing! Two drink minimums, here I come!
> > 
> > Sold:
> > 
> > on 255 vcpus 0 duplicates found with this setup:
> > 
> > root@kmod ~ # cat /sys/kernel/debug/modules/stats
> >           Mods ever loaded       66
> >       Mods failed on kread       0
> > Mods failed on decompress       0
> >    Mods failed on becoming       0
> >        Mods failed on load       0
> >          Total module size       11268096
> >        Total mod text size       4149248
> >         Failed kread bytes       0
> >    Failed decompress bytes       0
> >      Failed becoming bytes       0
> >          Failed kmod bytes       0
> >   Virtual mem wasted bytes       0
> >           Average mod size       170729
> >      Average mod text size       62868
> > 
> > So:
> > 
> > Tested-by: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
> > 
> > In terms of bootup timing:
> > 
> > Before:
> > Startup finished in 41.653s (kernel) + 44.305s (userspace) = 1min 25.958s
> > graphical.target reached after 44.178s in userspace.
> > After:
> > Startup finished in 23.995s (kernel) + 40.350s (userspace) = 1min 4.345s
> > graphical.target reached after 40.226s in userspace.
> 
> I'll try grabbing the system where we saw the KASAN-related issues [1] and
> give it a churn with and without the two patches. Might take a bit (~1 day),
> unfortunately.
> 
> [1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20221013180518.217405-1-david@redhat.com

Great, don't forget:

diff --git a/kernel/module/main.c b/kernel/module/main.c
index 82b0dcc1fe77..222015093eeb 100644
--- a/kernel/module/main.c
+++ b/kernel/module/main.c
@@ -3066,7 +3066,7 @@ struct idempotent {
 
 #define IDEM_HASH_BITS 8
 static struct hlist_head idem_hash[1 << IDEM_HASH_BITS];
-static struct spinlock idem_lock;
+static DEFINE_SPINLOCK(idem_lock);
 
 static bool idempotent(struct idempotent *u, const void *cookie)
 {

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-31 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-24 21:36 [PATCH 0/2] module: avoid all memory pressure due to duplicates Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-24 21:36 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs/kernel_read_file: add support for duplicate detection Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-24 21:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-24 21:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-24 22:07       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25  4:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 18:08       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 18:35         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 18:50         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 19:32           ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25  7:01     ` Christian Brauner
2023-05-24 21:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] module: add support to avoid duplicates early on load Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 11:40   ` Petr Pavlu
2023-05-25 16:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 16:42       ` Greg KH
2023-05-25 18:22         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 17:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 18:45       ` Lucas De Marchi
2023-05-25 21:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 22:02           ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-26  1:39             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-29  8:58               ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-29 11:00                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-29 12:44                   ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-29 15:18                     ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-30  1:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-30  9:40                         ` Johan Hovold
2023-06-05 12:25                           ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-30 16:22                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-30 17:16                           ` Lucas De Marchi
2023-05-30 19:41                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-30 22:17                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-31  5:30                                 ` Lucas De Marchi
2023-05-31  0:31                           ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-31  7:51                           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-05-31 16:57                             ` Luis Chamberlain [this message]
2023-06-02 15:19                               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-02 16:04                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-05 11:26                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-05 15:17                                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-05 15:28                                       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-28 18:52                                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-28 20:14                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-28 22:07                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-28 23:17                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-29  0:18                                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-02 16:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-02 16:37                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-05-30 22:45                         ` Dan Williams
2023-06-04 14:26                         ` Rudi Heitbaum
2023-05-29 17:47                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-30 10:01                       ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-25 16:54     ` Lucas De Marchi

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