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From: Andrew Murray <andrew.murray@arm.com>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pcie: Add quirk for the Arm Neoverse N1SDP platform
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:07:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191212210723.GJ24359@e119886-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191210144115.GA94877@google.com>

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:41:15AM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 04:06:38PM +0000, Andre Przywara wrote:
> > From: Deepak Pandey <Deepak.Pandey@arm.com>
> > 
> > The Arm N1SDP SoC suffers from some PCIe integration issues, most
> > prominently config space accesses to not existing BDFs being answered
> > with a bus abort, resulting in an SError.
> 
> Can we tease this apart a little more?  Linux doesn't program all the
> bits that control error signaling, so even on hardware that works
> perfectly, much of this behavior is determined by what firmware did.
> I wonder if Linux could be more careful about this.
> 
> "Bus abort" is not a term used in PCIe.  IIUC, a config read to a
> device that doesn't exist should terminate with an Unsupported Request
> completion, e.g., see the implementation note in PCIe r5.0 sec 2.3.1.
> 
> The UR should be an uncorrectable non-fatal error (Table 6-5), and
> Figures 6-2 and 6-3 show how it should be handled and when it should
> be signaled as a system error.  In case you don't have a copy of the
> spec, I extracted those two figures and put them at [1].
> 
> Can you collect "lspci -vvxxx" output to see if we can correlate it
> with those figures and the behavior you see?
> 
> [1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ihhdQvr0a7ZEJG-3gPddw1Tq7cTFAsah/view?usp=sharing
> 
> > To mitigate this, the firmware scans the bus before boot (catching the
> > SErrors) and creates a table with valid BDFs, which acts as a filter for
> > Linux' config space accesses.
> > 
> > Add code consulting the table as an ACPI PCIe quirk, also register the
> > corresponding device tree based description of the host controller.
> > Also fix the other two minor issues on the way, namely not being fully
> > ECAM compliant and config space accesses being restricted to 32-bit
> > accesses only.
> 
> As I'm sure you've noticed, controllers that support only 32-bit
> config writes are not spec compliant and devices may not work
> correctly.  The comment in pci_generic_config_write32() explains why.
> 
> You may not trip over this problem frequently, but I wouldn't call it
> a "minor" issue because when you *do* trip over it, you have no
> indication that a register was corrupted.
> 
> Even ECAM compliance is not really minor -- if this controller were
> fully compliant with the spec, you would need ZERO Linux changes to
> support it.  Every quirk like this means additional maintenance
> burden, and it's not just a one-time thing.  It means old kernels that
> *should* "just work" on your system will not work unless somebody
> backports the quirk.

With regards to URs resulting in unwanted aborts or similar - this seems
to be a very common theme amongst ARM PCI controller drivers. For example
both ARM32 imx6 and ARM32 keystone have fault handlers to handle an abort
and fabricate a 0xffffffff read value.

The ARM32 rcar driver, whilst it doesn't appear to produce an abort, does
read the PCI_STATUS register after making a config read to determine if
any aborts have happened - in which case it reports
PCIBIOS_DEVICE_NOT_FOUND.

And as recently reported [1], the rockchip driver also appears to produce
aborts.

I suspect that this ARM64 controller driver won't be the last either. Thus
any solution here may form the basis of copy-cat solutions for subsequent
controllers.

From my understanding of the issues, the ARM64 serrors are imprecise and
as a result there isn't a sensible way of using them to determine that a
read is a UR. So where there are no other solutions to suppress the
generation of an abort by the controller, the only solutions that seem to
exist are 1) pre-scan the devices in firmware and only talk to those devices
in Linux - a safe option but limiting - perhaps with side effects for CRS
and 2) the approach rcar takes in using the PCI_STATUS register - though
you'd end up having to mask the serror (PSTATE.A) for a limited period of
time - a risky option (you'll miss real serrors) - but with no side effects.

(I don't know if option 2 is feasible in this case by the way).

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/2a381384-9d47-a7e2-679c-780950cd862d@rock-chips.com/2-0001-WFT-PCI-rockchip-play-game-with-unsupported-request-.patch

Thanks,

Andrew Murray

> 
> > This allows the Arm Neoverse N1SDP board to boot Linux without crashing
> > and to access *any* devices (there are no platform devices except UART).

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-12 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-09 16:06 [PATCH] pcie: Add quirk for the Arm Neoverse N1SDP platform Andre Przywara
2019-12-09 16:26 ` Will Deacon
2019-12-18  2:21   ` Jon Masters
2019-12-18 10:22     ` Andre Przywara
2019-12-18 13:53       ` Marc Zyngier
2019-12-10 14:41 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-12-11 11:00   ` Andre Przywara
2019-12-11 20:17     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-12-12 11:05       ` Andre Przywara
2019-12-12 13:44         ` Robin Murphy
2019-12-13 21:07         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-12-18 15:07           ` Andre Przywara
2019-12-12 21:07   ` Andrew Murray [this message]
2019-12-13 14:39     ` Andre Przywara
2019-12-12 12:37 ` Andrew Murray
2019-12-13 14:23   ` Andre Przywara

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