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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
Cc: "Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Saeed Mahameed" <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"Alexander Duyck" <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Don Dutile" <ddutile@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Krzysztof Wilczyński" <kw@linux.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH mlx5-next v6 1/4] PCI: Add sysfs callback to allow MSI-X table size change of SR-IOV VFs
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 12:02:39 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210217180239.GA896669@bjorn-Precision-5520> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YCwj4WsrVeklgl7i@unreal>

[+cc Greg in case he wants to chime in on the sysfs discussion.
TL;DR: we're trying to add/remove sysfs files when a PCI driver that
supports certain callbacks binds or unbinds; series at
https://lore.kernel.org/r/20210209133445.700225-1-leon@kernel.org]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 09:58:25PM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:12:12AM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 09:33:44AM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 03:01:06PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 03:34:42PM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > > From: Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>

> > > > > +int pci_enable_vf_overlay(struct pci_dev *dev)
> > > > > +{
> > > > > +	struct pci_dev *virtfn;
> > > > > +	int id, ret;
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	if (!dev->is_physfn || !dev->sriov->num_VFs)
> > > > > +		return 0;
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	ret = sysfs_create_files(&dev->dev.kobj, sriov_pf_dev_attrs);
> > > >
> > > > But I still don't like the fact that we're calling
> > > > sysfs_create_files() and sysfs_remove_files() directly.  It makes
> > > > complication and opportunities for errors.
> > >
> > > It is not different from any other code that we have in the kernel.
> >
> > It *is* different.  There is a general rule that drivers should not
> > call sysfs_* [1].  The PCI core is arguably not a "driver," but it is
> > still true that callers of sysfs_create_files() are very special, and
> > I'd prefer not to add another one.
> 
> PCI for me is a bus, and bus is the right place to manage sysfs.
> But it doesn't matter, we understand each other positions.
> 
> > > Let's be concrete, can you point to the errors in this code that I
> > > should fix?
> >
> > I'm not saying there are current errors; I'm saying the additional
> > code makes errors possible in future code.  For example, we hope that
> > other drivers can use these sysfs interfaces, and it's possible they
> > may not call pci_enable_vf_overlay() or pci_disable_vfs_overlay()
> > correctly.
> 
> If not, we will fix, we just need is to ensure that sysfs name won't
> change, everything else is easy to change.
> 
> > Or there may be races in device addition/removal.  We have current
> > issues in this area, e.g., [2], and they're fairly subtle.  I'm not
> > saying your patches have these issues; only that extra code makes more
> > chances for mistakes and it's more work to validate it.
> >
> > > > I don't see the advantage of creating these files only when
> > > > the PF driver supports this.  The management tools have to
> > > > deal with sriov_vf_total_msix == 0 and sriov_vf_msix_count ==
> > > > 0 anyway.  Having the sysfs files not be present at all might
> > > > be slightly prettier to the person running "ls", but I'm not
> > > > sure the code complication is worth that.
> > >
> > > It is more than "ls", right now sriov_numvfs is visible without
> > > relation to the driver, even if driver doesn't implement
> > > ".sriov_configure", which IMHO bad. We didn't want to repeat.
> > >
> > > Right now, we have many devices that supports SR-IOV, but small
> > > amount of them are capable to rewrite their VF MSI-X table siz.
> > > We don't want "to punish" and clatter their sysfs.
> >
> > I agree, it's clutter, but at least it's just cosmetic clutter
> > (but I'm willing to hear discussion about why it's more than
> > cosmetic; see below).
> 
> It is more than cosmetic and IMHO it is related to the driver role.
> This feature is advertised, managed and configured by PF. It is very
> natural request that the PF will view/hide those sysfs files.

Agreed, it's natural if the PF driver adds/removes those files.  But I
don't think it's *essential*, and they *could* be static because of
this:

> > From the management software point of view, I don't think it matters.
> > That software already needs to deal with files that don't exist (on
> > old kernels) and files that contain zero (feature not supported or no
> > vectors are available).

I wonder if sysfs_update_group() would let us have our cake and eat
it, too?  Maybe we could define these files as static attributes and
call sysfs_update_group() when the PF driver binds or unbinds?

Makes me wonder if the device core could call sysfs_update_group()
when binding/unbinding drivers.  But there are only a few existing
callers, and it looks like none of them are for the bind/unbind
situation, so maybe that would be pointless.

> > From my point of view, pci_enable_vf_overlay() or
> > pci_disable_vfs_overlay() are also clutter, at least compared to
> > static sysfs attributes.
> >
> > > > I see a hint that Alex might have requested this "only visible when PF
> > > > driver supports it" functionality, but I don't see that email on
> > > > linux-pci, so I missed the background.
> > >
> > > First version of this patch had static files solution.
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20210103082440.34994-2-leon@kernel.org/#Z30drivers:pci:iov.c
> >
> > Thanks for the pointer to the patch.  Can you point me to the
> > discussion about why we should use the "only visible when PF driver
> > supports it" model?
> 
> It is hard to pinpoint specific sentence, this discussion is spread
> across many emails and I implemented it in v4.
> 
> See this request from Alex:
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20210114170543.143cce49@omen.home.shazbot.org/
> and this is my acknowledge:
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20210116082331.GL944463@unreal/
> 
> BTW, I asked more than once how these sysfs knobs should be handled
> in the PCI/core.

Thanks for the pointers.  This is the first instance I can think of
where we want to create PCI core sysfs files based on a driver
binding, so there really isn't a precedent.

> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/YBmG7qgIDYIveDfX@kroah.com/
> > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20200716110423.xtfyb3n6tn5ixedh@pali/

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-17 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-09 13:34 [PATCH mlx5-next v6 0/4] Dynamically assign MSI-X vectors count Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-09 13:34 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 1/4] PCI: Add sysfs callback to allow MSI-X table size change of SR-IOV VFs Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-15 21:01   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-16  7:33     ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-16 16:12       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-16 19:58         ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-17 18:02           ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2021-02-17 19:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-17 20:28               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-17 23:52                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-18 10:15             ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-18 22:39               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-19  7:52                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-19  8:20                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 16:58                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-20 19:06                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-21  6:59                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-23 21:07                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-24  8:09                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-24 21:37                             ` Don Dutile
2021-02-24  9:53                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-24 15:07                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-21 13:00                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-21 13:55                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-21 15:01                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-21 15:30                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-16 20:37         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-09 13:34 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 2/4] net/mlx5: Add dynamic MSI-X capabilities bits Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-09 13:34 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 3/4] net/mlx5: Dynamically assign MSI-X vectors count Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-09 13:34 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 4/4] net/mlx5: Allow to the users to configure number of MSI-X vectors Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-09 21:06 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 0/4] Dynamically assign MSI-X vectors count Alexander Duyck
2021-02-14  5:24   ` Leon Romanovsky

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