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From: Vidya Sagar <vidyas@nvidia.com>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>, Thierry Reding <treding@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Sinan Kaya <okaya@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	<jonathanh@nvidia.com>, <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>, <kthota@nvidia.com>,
	<mmaddireddy@nvidia.com>, <sagar.tv@gmail.com>,
	"Andrew Murray" <andrew.murray@arm.com>,
	Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI: Add CRS timeout for pci_device_is_present()
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 23:29:55 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5bb62272-6a9f-f4e3-540a-360ff5a8a0f7@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191112142111.GA152047@google.com>

On 11/12/2019 7:51 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 01:59:23PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 04:32:35PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:31:18AM +0530, Vidya Sagar wrote:
>>>> On 11/6/2019 10:11 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Based on Vidya's backtrace, I think the resume path with problems
>>>>> is this:
>>>>>
>>>>>     pci_pm_resume_noirq
>>>>>       pci_pm_default_resume_early
>>>>>         pci_power_up
>>>>>           if (platform_pci_power_manageable(dev))
>>>>>             platform_pci_set_power_state(dev, PCI_D0)  # <-- FW delay here?
>>>>>           pci_raw_set_power_state
>>>>>           pci_update_current_state
>>>>>             pci_device_is_present        # <-- config read returns CRS
>>>>>
>>>>> So I think your suggestion is that Vidya's firmware should be
>>>>> doing the delay inside platform_pci_set_power_state()?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vidya, you typically work on Tegra, so I assume this is on an
>>>>> arm64 system?  Does it have ACPI?  Do you have access to the
>>>>> firmware developers to ask about who they expect to do the delays?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. This is on arm64 (Tegra) and we don't have any ACPI or any
>>>> other firmware for that matter. PCIe is brought up directly in the
>>>> kernel.
>>>
>>> I assume that your device is coming out of D3cold because apparently
>>> you're seeing a CRS status from the config read when
>>> pci_update_current_state() calls pci_device_is_present().  CRS status
>>> should only happen after reset or power-on from D3cold, and you're not
>>> doing a reset.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure platform_pci_power_manageable() returns false on
>>> your system (can you confirm that?) because the only scenarios with
>>> platform power management are MID (Intel platform) and ACPI (which you
>>> don't have).
>>>
>>> Maybe you have some other platform-specific mechanism that controls
>>> power to PCI devices, and it's not integrated into the
>>> platform_pci_*() framework?
>>
>> My understanding after reading the PCIe specification is that CRS is a
>> mechanism that allows an endpoint to signal that it isn't ready yet for
>> operation after reset or power-on from D3cold. There's nothing in there
>> that's platform specific. This is really only for specific endpoints.
>>
>> I don't see how adding platform specific PM code would help in this
>> case. At a platform level we don't know if users are going to plug in a
>> PCI endpoint that needs a long delay before it's ready after reset and/
>> or exit from D3cold.
> 
> Right, see below.
> 
>> I do understand that perhaps pci_device_is_present() is perhaps not the
>> best place to do complex CRS handling, but if a mechanism is clearly
>> described in the specification, isn't it something that should be dealt
>> with in the core? That way we don't have to quirk this for every device
>> and platform.
> 
> Definitely; we don't want quirks for endpoints (unless they're
> actually broken) or for platforms (unless there's a platform hardware
> or firmware defect).
> 
> There's no question that we need to delay and handle CRS after
> power-on from D3cold.  I'm trying to get at the point that PCI itself
> doesn't tell us how to do that power-on.  The mechanisms defined by
> PCI rely on config space, which is only accessible in D0-D3hot, not
> D3cold.  Power-on from D3cold can only happen via ACPI methods or
> other platform-specific mechanisms, and the current design abstracts
> those via platform_pci_set_power_state().  This is partly based on
> Rafael's response in [1].
> 
>> The PCIe specification says that:
>>
>> 	Software that intends to take advantage of this mechanism must
>> 	ensure that the first access made to a device following a valid
>> 	reset condition is a Configuration Read Request accessing both
>> 	bytes of the Vendor ID field in the device's Configuration Space
>> 	header.
>>
>> So doesn't that mean that pci_device_is_present() is already much too
>> late because we've potentially made other configuration read requests in
>> the meantime?
>>
>> Wouldn't it make more sense to push the CRS handling up a bit? The
>> existing pci_power_up() function seems like it would be a good place.
>> For example, adding code to deal with CRS right after the platform PCI
>> PM calls but before pci_raw_set_power_state() seems like it would fit
>> the restrictions given in the above quote from the specification.
> 
> Yep, I think that's the right point.  I'm trying to figure out how to
> integrate it.  Rafael suggests that delays may be platform-specific
> and should be in platform_pci_set_power_state(), but the CRS handling
> itself isn't platform-specific and maybe could be higher up.
> 
> I'm fishing to see if Tegra has some kind of power control for
> endpoints that is not related to the platform_pci_*() framework.  How
> did the endpoint get put in D3cold in the first place?  I assume
> something in the suspend path did that?  Maybe this happens when we
> suspend the Tegra RC itself, e.g., tegra_pcie_pm_suspend()?
> 
>    tegra_pcie_pm_suspend
>      tegra_pcie_phy_power_off
>      tegra_pcie_power_off
> 
>    tegra_pcie_pm_resume
>      tegra_pcie_power_on
>      tegra_pcie_phy_power_on
> 
> If a path like tegra_pcie_pm_resume() is causing the D3cold -> D0
> transition for the endpoint, I don't think we want to do CRS handling
> there because that path shouldn't be touching the endpoint.  But maybe
> it should be doing the delays required by PCIe r5.0, sec 6.6.1, before
> any config accesses are issued to devices.
Here, I'm exercising suspend-to-RAM sequence and the PCIe endpoint of
concern is Intel 750 NVMe drive.
PCIe host controller driver already has 100ms of delay as per the spec,
but this particular device is taking 1023ms to get ready to respond to
configuration space requests (till that time, it responds with
configuration request retry statuses)
I've put a dump_stack () to see the path resume sequence takes and here it is

  Call trace:
   dump_backtrace+0x0/0x158
   show_stack+0x14/0x20
   dump_stack+0xb0/0xf4
   pci_bus_generic_read_dev_vendor_id+0x19c/0x1a0
   pci_bus_read_dev_vendor_id+0x48/0x70
   pci_update_current_state+0x68/0xd8
   pci_power_up+0x40/0x50
   pci_pm_resume_noirq+0x7c/0x138
   dpm_run_callback.isra.16+0x20/0x70
   device_resume_noirq+0x120/0x238
   async_resume_noirq+0x24/0x58
   async_run_entry_fn+0x40/0x148
   process_one_work+0x1e8/0x360
   worker_thread+0x40/0x488
   kthread+0x118/0x120
   ret_from_fork+0x10/0x1c
  pci 0005:01:00.0: ready after 1023ms

Spec also mentions the following
     Unless Readiness Notifications mechanisms are used (see Section 6.23), the Root Complex
     and/or system software must allow at least 1.0 s after a Conventional Reset of a device, before it
     may determine that a device which fails to return a Successful Completion status for a valid
     Configuration Request is a broken device. This period is independent of how quickly Link
     training completes.

My understanding is that this 1sec waiting is supposed to be done by the PCIe sub-system and not the host
controller driver.
FWIW, this particular device is taking a little more time than 1 sec (i.e. 1023 ms)
I'm now wondering why is it that the CRS has a timeout of 60 secs than just 1 sec?

> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/r/11429373.7ySiFsEkgL@kreacher
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-12 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-05 18:21 [PATCH] PCI: Add CRS timeout for pci_device_is_present() Vidya Sagar
2019-10-14  8:20 ` Thierry Reding
2019-10-14 20:21   ` Sinan Kaya
2019-10-15  9:30     ` Thierry Reding
2019-10-15 11:10       ` Sinan Kaya
2019-10-15 12:14         ` Vidya Sagar
     [not found]           ` <afa16546-e63d-6eba-8be0-8e52339cd100@nvidia.com>
2019-10-25 11:58             ` Vidya Sagar
2019-10-26 13:59               ` Sinan Kaya
2019-11-04 11:43                 ` Vidya Sagar
2019-11-04 16:52                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-11-04 17:39           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-05 10:55             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-11-06 16:41               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-11  6:01                 ` Vidya Sagar
2019-11-11 22:32                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-12 12:59                     ` Thierry Reding
2019-11-12 14:21                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-12 17:59                         ` Vidya Sagar [this message]
2019-11-12 18:58                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-13  5:39                             ` Vidya Sagar
2019-11-13 11:20                             ` Thierry Reding
2019-11-14 18:36                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-15 10:04                                 ` Vidya Sagar
2019-11-15 22:36                                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-11-18 15:18                                     ` Vidya Sagar
2019-11-12 17:59                     ` Vidya Sagar
2019-10-15 12:03       ` Vidya Sagar
2019-10-15 11:34     ` Vidya Sagar
2019-10-14 10:45 ` Andrew Murray

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