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From: Casey Leedom <leedom@chelsio.com>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@suse.com>
Cc: "Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 5/9] PCI: Add pci_iomap_wc() variants
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:14:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6530C037-E976-42B0-B719-4171657E45A9@chelsio.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150702184904.GA7021@wotan.suse.de>


> On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@suse.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 08:00:48AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>> On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 16:24 +0000, Casey Leedom wrote:
>>>  Thanks for looking into this Ben.  As it stands now, it seems as
>>> if Write Combined mappings simply aren't supported and/or all
>>> driver writers trying to utilize Write Combined mappings have to
>>> "hand roll" their own solutions which really isn't supportable.
>>> 
>>>  One thing that might be considered is simply to treat the desire
>>> to utilize the Write Combining hardware as a separate issue and
>>> develop writel_wc(), writeq_wc(), etc.
> 
> That seems rather sloppy and cumbersome, its best to just provide the
> infrastructure for initial mapping for an area and let the hardware do it for
> you. With the current design drivers would just use regular read/write on all
> areas and the only thing that will set them apart will be the mapping.  With
> what you propose we'd end up having to shift a whole bunch of reads/writes for
> just the purpose of adding WC to an area that didn't have wc before. That's
> a waste of code and time.
> 
>>> Those could be defined
>>> as legal only for Write Combined Mappings and would "do the
>>> right thing" for each architecture.  
> 
> Yuck.

  Yeah, probably.  But it sounds like from Ben’s response, we should really use write_relaxed() as an already existing API for this.  But most of the architectures just define this as writel() so some work would need to be done to get it to work.

>> The question then is what is "the right thing". In the powerpc case,
>> we'll have a non-garded mapping, which means we also get no ordering
>> between load and stores.
> 
> I don't follow, you *ordering* between load and stores for WC? We should
> not need that for WC, its why WC is used for only very specific things
> such as framebuffer and PIO (which BTw I still don't quite get all this
> use case for infiniband to be honest, and I will note I do see some
> proprietary hardware extensions like bursts but nothing covering all
> this in a general doc, I think I think it all just has to do that this
> is a hardware hack in reality, which we sell as a feature).

  I was talking about the work that our drivers (cxgb4, cxgb4vf, etc.) do to ensure correct ordering between writes to memory and I/O space.  For instance, issuing a wmb() between writes to a DMA buffer and the write to a register telling the hardware that the data is available.  This isn’t necessary on the Strongly Ordered Intel architectures but is necessary on other architectures.

Casey

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-03  0:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-19 22:08 [PATCH v7 0/9] pci: add pci_iomap_wc() and pci_ioremap_wc_bar() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 1/9] pci: add pci_ioremap_wc_bar() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 2/9] video: fbdev: i740fb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and pci_ioremap_wc_bar() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 3/9] video: fbdev: kyrofb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 4/9] video: fbdev: gxt4500: use pci_ioremap_wc_bar() for framebuffer Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 5/9] PCI: Add pci_iomap_wc() variants Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-23 22:42   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-06-24 16:38     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-24 22:05       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-06-24 22:29         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-24 23:38           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-06-25  0:08             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-25  0:52               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-06-25  0:58                 ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-25  1:12                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-06-25 15:01             ` Casey Leedom
2015-06-25 20:44               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-06-25 21:40                 ` Casey Leedom
2015-06-25 22:51                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-06-26 19:31                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-26 22:04                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                         ` <CAB=NE6XwczF6FYXV=RHyK=7ikVk_tGp+h9ouWPyORNENq4+=Kw@mail.gmail.com>
2015-06-26 23:54                           ` [Xen-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-06-27  1:16                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-26  2:02                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-06-26 16:24                     ` Casey Leedom
2015-06-26 22:00                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-02 18:49                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-02 22:26                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-03  0:14                           ` Casey Leedom [this message]
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 6/9] lib: devres: add pcim_iomap_wc() variants Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 7/9] video: fbdev: arkfb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and pci_iomap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 8/9] video: fbdev: s3fb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-19 22:08 ` [PATCH v7 9/9] video: fbdev: vt8623fb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-06-23 10:53 ` [PATCH v7 0/9] pci: add pci_iomap_wc() and pci_ioremap_wc_bar() Arnd Bergmann

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