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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: "'Maciej W. Rozycki'" <macro@orcam.me.uk>
Cc: 'Linus Walleij' <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	William Breathitt Gray <william.gray@linaro.org>,
	Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@bgdev.pl>,
	"open list:GPIO SUBSYSTEM" <linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [RFC v2 10/39] gpio: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies
Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 12:45:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7bb4d0286f44462581d96320cfe105d6@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.2205041226160.64942@angie.orcam.me.uk>

From: Maciej W. Rozycki
> Sent: 04 May 2022 12:47
> 
> On Tue, 3 May 2022, David Laight wrote:
> 
> > > > There is such a thing as ISA DMA, but you'll still need to initialize
> > > > the device via the IO Port bus first, so perhaps setting HAS_IOPORT for
> > > > "config ISA" is the right thing to do: all ISA devices are expected to
> > > > communicate in some way via ioport.
> > >
> > > Adding that dependency seems like the right solution to me.
> >
> > I think it all depends on what HAS_IOPORT is meant to mean and
> > how portable kernel binaries need to be.
> >
> > x86 is (probably) the only architecture that actually has 'in'
> > and 'out' instructions - but that doesn't mean that some other
> > cpu (and I mean cpu+pcb not architecture) have the ability to
> > generate 'IO' bus cycles on a specific physical bus.
> 
>  I am fairly sure IA-64 has some form of IN/OUT machine instructions too.
> 
> > While the obvious case is a physical address window that generates
> > PCI(e) IO cycles from normal memory cycles it isn't the only one.
> >
> > I've used sparc cpu systems that have pcmcia card slots.
> > These are pretty much ISA and the drivers might expect to
> > access port 0x300 (etc) - certainly that would be right on x86.
> >
> > In this case is isn't so much that the ISA_BUS depends on support
> > for in/out but that presence of the ISA bus provides the required
> > in/out support.
> 
>  Well, one can implement a pluggable PCI/e expansion card with a PCI-ISA
> bridge on it and a backplane to plug ISA cards into.  Without support for
> issuing I/O cycles to PCI from the host however you won't be able to make
> use of the ISA backplane except maybe for some ancient ISA memory cards.
> So logically I think CONFIG_ISA should depend on CONFIG_HAS_IOPORT and
> CONFIG_HAS_IOPORT ought to be selected by platform configurations.

But generating a PCI(e) I/O cycle doesn't need the cpu to be able to
generate an I/O cycle on its local bus interface.
All that required is for the PCI(e) host bridge to determine that it
needs to relevant kind of cycle on the target bus.
This can easily be based on the physical address.

Many years ago I used a system with the strongarm SA1100/1101 pair.
(Not running Linux, but I think that it could have - slowly.)
Two (adjacent?) areas of the physical address map generated memory
and I/O cycles to a pair of pcmcia slots.
What you end up with is definitely ISA, but ARM definitely doesn't
have in/out instructions.

Now, while this is rather hypothetical, a 'generic' arm kernel running
on that hardware would be able to support drivers that expect an ISA bus.
But on different hardware the same generic kernel would have nowhere
to 'attach' the same drivers - but they could still be part of the kernel
(maybe as modules).

What you should probably be doing is (outside of 'platform' code)
change the drivers to use ioread8() instead of inb().
Then adding in the required calls to get the correct 'token' to
pass to ioread8() to perform an I/O cycle on the correct target bus.

It is really the attachment of the driver that can't succeed, not the
compilation.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-04 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-29 13:49 [RFC v2 00/39] Kconfig: Introduce HAS_IOPORT config option Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:49 ` [RFC v2 01/39] Kconfig: introduce HAS_IOPORT option and select it as necessary Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-01 22:40   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 21:08   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 21:31     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05  8:10       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 16:10       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-05 17:39         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05 19:53           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-06  9:12             ` Finn Thain
2022-05-06 11:18               ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-07  0:01                 ` Finn Thain
2022-05-07 13:14                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-07 23:59                     ` Finn Thain
2022-05-08  0:15                       ` Finn Thain
2022-05-06  9:38             ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-06 11:07               ` John Garry
2022-05-06 10:20           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 11:33             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-06 12:27               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:53                 ` David Laight
2022-05-06 13:08                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-05-06 13:40                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 14:03                     ` David Laight
2022-05-06 15:02                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-05-06 13:15                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 13:28                     ` David Laight
2022-05-06 14:44                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 14:56                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-05-06 15:03                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:53                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-06 13:15                   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-06 13:16                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:55                 ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-06 12:42               ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 02/39] ACPI: add dependency on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-04 13:23   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-05-04 17:53   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 19:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05  8:20       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 19:36         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 02/37] ata: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:27   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 03/37] ACPI: add dependency on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 03/39] ata: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 04/39] char: impi, tpm: depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:23   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:33     ` Ahmad Fatoum
2022-05-02 14:34       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 04/37] parport: PC style parport depends " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 05/37] char: impi, tpm: depend " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:02   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 05/39] comedi: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 06/39] counter: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 06/37] speakup: add HAS_IOPORT dependency for SPEAKUP_SERIALIO Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:28   ` Samuel Thibault
2022-04-29 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:29   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 07/39] /dev/port: don't compile file operations without CONFIG_DEVPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 07/37] Input: gameport: add ISA and HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:29   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 08/37] comedi: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:30   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 08/39] drm: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 09/37] counter: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:30   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 09/39] firmware: dmi-sysfs: handle HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 10/39] gpio: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:32   ` William Breathitt Gray
2022-04-29 14:46     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 15:37       ` William Breathitt Gray
2022-05-01 21:55         ` Linus Walleij
2022-05-02 12:53           ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-03 13:08           ` David Laight
2022-05-03 14:03             ` William Breathitt Gray
2022-05-04 11:46             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 12:45               ` David Laight [this message]
2022-05-04 13:02                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-02 13:21         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 11/39] hwmon: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-30  0:37   ` Guenter Roeck
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 11/37] sound: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:30   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 12/39] i2c: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-14 14:06   ` Wolfram Sang
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 13/39] iio: adc: Kconfig: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-01 16:51   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 13/37] Input: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:31   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 14/37] iio: adc: Kconfig: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:31   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 14/39] Input: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 15/37] hwmon: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:31   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 15/39] Input: gameport: add ISA and " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 16/39] leds: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 18:54   ` Pavel Machek
2022-05-02  8:31     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 17/39] media: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 15:36   ` Sean Young
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 18/39] misc: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 19/39] mISDN: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 19/37] mpt fusion: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:32   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 20/39] " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 20/37] net: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:33   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 21/39] " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:13   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2022-05-01 22:48   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-03 12:45     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-03 13:36       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 21/37] pcmcia: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:33   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 22/39] parport: PC style parport depends on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 22/37] platform: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:33   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 23/39] PCI: make quirk using inw() depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-06-08 18:30   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 23/37] pnp: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:34   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 24/39] PCI/sysfs: make I/O resource depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-06-08 18:32   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 24/37] power: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:34   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 25/39] pcmcia: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-03 23:38   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 10:33     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-04 12:38       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 14:07         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-04 14:24           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 17:22             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-05  8:45               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-05 19:38                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 14:44       ` David Laight
2022-05-05 12:03         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 14:59       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 25/37] video: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:35   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 26/39] platform: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 26/37] rtc: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:46   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 27/39] pnp: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 27/37] scsi: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:46   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 28/39] power: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 28/37] staging: sm750fb: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:47   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 29/39] rtc: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-17 22:15   ` Alexandre Belloni
2022-05-18 13:47     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-06-01 12:25   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 29/37] tty: serial: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:47   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 30/39] scsi: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-04 20:42   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 21:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05 16:06       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 30/37] watchdog: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:47   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 31/37] drm: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:47   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 31/39] sound: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-09  8:53   ` Takashi Iwai
2022-05-09  9:20     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-09 10:07       ` Takashi Iwai
2022-05-09 12:14         ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 32/37] PCI/sysfs: make I/O resource depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:48   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 21:41   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 32/39] speakup: add HAS_IOPORT dependency for SPEAKUP_SERIALIO Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 33/37] PCI: make quirk using inw() depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:48   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 21:44   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 33/39] staging: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 34/37] firmware: dmi-sysfs: handle HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:48   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 34/39] tty: serial: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-02  9:15   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [PATCH 35/37] /dev/port: don't compile file operations without CONFIG_DEVPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:49   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 35/39] usb: handle HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-30 12:56   ` Alan Stern
2022-05-02  8:26     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [PATCH 36/37] " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:49   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 36/39] video: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [PATCH 37/37] asm-generic/io.h: drop inb() etc for HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:49   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 37/39] watchdog: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-30  0:38   ` Guenter Roeck
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 38/39] wireless: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:40   ` Kalle Valo
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 39/39] asm-generic/io.h: drop inb() etc for HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle

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