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From: Rajat Jain <rajatxjain@gmail.com>
To: "Oliver O'Halloran" <oohall@gmail.com>
Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rajat Jain <rajatja@google.com>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	"Krishnakumar,
	Lalithambika" <lalithambika.krishnakumar@intel.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	linux-pci <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Prashant Malani <pmalani@google.com>,
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	Jesse Barnes <jsbarnes@google.com>,
	Christian Kellner <christian@kellner.me>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Restrict the untrusted devices, to bind to only a set of "whitelisted" drivers
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:57:00 -0700
Message-ID: <CAA93t1r37y-Shr+-oHoBoLSbE1vAguwdE2ak2F6L4Ecm5+3JKQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOSf1CGMwHGSn18MeKYr2BESfLwq3Q8_0fC6yhiQRrAXeSosqQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:34 PM Oliver O'Halloran <oohall@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:04 AM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > To sketch this out, my understanding of how this would work is:
> >
> >   - Expose the PCI pdev->untrusted bit in sysfs.  We don't expose this
> >     today, but doing so would be trivial.  I think I would prefer a
> >     sysfs name like "external" so it's more descriptive and less of a
> >     judgment.
> >
> >     This comes from either the DT "external-facing" property or the
> >     ACPI "ExternalFacingPort" property.
>
> I don't think internal / external is the right distinction to be
> making. We have a similar trust issue with the BMC in servers even
> though they're internal devices. They're typically network accessible
> and infrequently updated so treating them as trustworthy isn't a great
> idea. We have been slowly de-privileging the BMC over the last few
> years, but the PCIe interface isn't locked down enough for my liking
> since the SoCs we use do allow software to set the VDID and perform
> arbitrary DMAs (thankfully limited to 32bit). If we're going to add in
> infrastructure for handling possibly untrustworthy PCI devices then
> I'd like to use that for BMCs too.
>
> >   - All devices present at boot are enumerated.  Any statically built
> >     drivers will bind to them before any userspace code runs.
> >
> >     If you want to keep statically built drivers from binding, you'd
> >     need to invent some mechanism so pci_driver_init() could clear
> >     drivers_autoprobe after registering pci_bus_type.
> >
> >   - Early userspace code prevents modular drivers from automatically
> >     binding to PCI devices:
> >
> >       echo 0 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers_autoprobe
> >
> >     This prevents modular drivers from binding to all devices, whether
> >     present at boot or hot-added.
>
> I don't see why this is preferable to just disabling autoprobe for
> untrusted devices. That would dovetail nicely with Rajat's whitelist
> idea if we want to go down that route and I think we might want to.
> The BMC usually provides some form of VGA console and we'd like that
> to continue working out-of-the-box without too much user (or distro)
> intervention.

I wouldn't mind introducing a kernel parameter to disable auto-probing
of untrusted devices if there is a wider agreement here.
The only notch is that in my opinion, if present, that parameter
should disable auto-probing for "external" devices only (i.e.
"external-facing" devices should still be auto-probed).

Thanks,

Rajat

>
> Oliver

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Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-01 23:07 Rajat Jain
2020-05-04 11:47 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2020-05-04 11:59   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2020-05-04 19:17     ` Rajat Jain
2020-05-05 12:33 ` Mika Westerberg
2020-05-06 18:51   ` Rajat Jain
2020-05-11 20:31 ` Rajat Jain
2020-05-13 15:19 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-05-13 21:26   ` Rajat Jain
2020-05-14 13:42     ` Mika Westerberg
2020-05-14 19:12     ` Raj, Ashok
2020-05-15  2:18       ` Rajat Jain
2020-05-26 16:30         ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-01 23:25           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-06-02  5:06             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-03  2:27               ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-03  6:07                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-03 11:51                   ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-03 12:16                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-03 12:57                       ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-03 13:29                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-04 19:38                       ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-05  8:02                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-06  1:08                           ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-07 11:36                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-08 17:03                               ` Jesse Barnes
2020-06-08 17:50                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-08 18:29                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2020-06-08 18:41                                     ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-09  9:54                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-30 21:46                                         ` Pavel Machek
2020-06-09  5:57                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-30 21:45                                 ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-01  6:54                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-01  8:47                                     ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-01 10:57                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-01 11:08                                         ` Pavel Machek
2020-06-09 21:04                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-06-09 23:23                                 ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-10  0:04                                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-06-10  0:30                                     ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-10 20:17                                       ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-10 23:09                                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-06-10 23:01                                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-06-10 23:46                                         ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-10  7:13                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-10  1:34                                 ` Oliver O'Halloran
2020-06-10 19:57                                   ` Rajat Jain [this message]
2020-06-16  1:24                                     ` Rajat Jain
2020-06-10  7:12                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-05-15 12:44     ` Joerg Roedel

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