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From: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
To: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>
Cc: Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>,
	PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	"open list:MEDIA DRIVERS FOR RENESAS - FCP" 
	<linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 2/3] PCI: rcar: Do not abort on too many inbound dma-ranges
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:12:58 -0500
Message-ID: <CAL_JsqL2c-ODMkOo1tAJh8JeF0VRXahCq2zF2fX8dZV8wpQj+Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191016161846.GC7457@e121166-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:18 AM Lorenzo Pieralisi
<lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com> wrote:
>
> [+RobH, Robin]
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 05:29:50PM +0200, Marek Vasut wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > >> The firmware provides all the ranges which are available and usable,
> > >> that's the hardware description and that should be in the DT.
> > >
> > > If the HW (given that those dma-ranges are declared for the PCI host
> > > controller) can't be programmed to enable those DMA ranges - those
> > > ranges are neither available nor usable, ergo DT is broken.
> >
> > The hardware can be programmed to enable those DMA ranges, just not all
> > of them at the same time.
>
> Ok, we are down to DT bindings interpretation then.
>
> > It's not the job of the bootloader to guess which ranges might the next
> > stage like best.
>
> By the time this series:
>
> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/user/todo/linux-pci/?series=132419
>
> is merged, your policy will require the host controller driver to
> remove the DMA ranges that could not be programmed in the inbound
> address decoders from the dma_ranges list, otherwise things will
> fall apart.

I don't think the above series has too much impact on this. It's my
other series dealing with dma masks that's relevant because for dma
masks we only ever look at the first dma-ranges entry. We either have
to support multiple addresses and sizes per device (the only way to
really support any possible dma-ranges), merge entries to single
offset/mask or have some way to select which range entry to use.

So things are broken to some extent regardless unless MAX_NR_INBOUND_MAPS == 1.

> > >> The firmware cannot decide the policy for the next stage (Linux in
> > >> this case) on which ranges are better to use for Linux and which are
> > >> less good. Linux can then decide which ranges are best suited for it
> > >> and ignore the other ones.
> > >
> > > dma-ranges is a property that is used by other kernel subsystems eg
> > > IOMMU other than the RCAR host controller driver. The policy, provided
> > > there is one should be shared across them. You can't leave a PCI
> > > host controller half-programmed and expect other subsystems (that
> > > *expect* those ranges to be DMA'ble) to work.
> > >
> > > I reiterate my point: if firmware is broken it is better to fail
> > > the probe rather than limp on hoping that things will keep on
> > > working.
> >
> > But the firmware is not broken ?
>
> See above, it depends on how the dma-ranges property is interpreted,
> hopefully we can reach consensus in this thread, I won't merge a patch
> that can backfire later unless we all agree that what it does is
> correct.

Defining more dma-ranges entries than the h/w has inbound windows for
sounds like a broken DT to me.

What exactly does dma-ranges contain in this case? I'm not really
visualizing how different clients would pick different dma-ranges
entries.

Rob

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Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-09 17:57 [PATCH V3 1/3] PCI: rcar: Move the inbound index check marek.vasut
2019-08-09 17:57 ` [PATCH V3 2/3] PCI: rcar: Do not abort on too many inbound dma-ranges marek.vasut
2019-08-16 13:23   ` Simon Horman
2019-08-16 13:28     ` Marek Vasut
2019-08-16 13:38       ` Simon Horman
2019-08-16 17:41         ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21 10:18       ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-26 18:03         ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-26 20:36           ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-26 21:06             ` Andrew Murray
2019-11-06 23:37             ` Marek Vasut
2019-11-07 14:19               ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-16 15:00   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 15:10     ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 15:26       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 15:29         ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 16:18           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 18:12             ` Rob Herring [this message]
2019-10-16 18:17               ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 20:25                 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-16 21:15                   ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 22:26                     ` Rob Herring
2019-10-16 22:33                       ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17  7:06                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-10-17 10:55                           ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17 13:06                             ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-17 14:00                               ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17 14:36                                 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-17 15:01                                   ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18  9:53                                     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-18 12:22                                       ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 12:53                                         ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 14:26                                           ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 15:44                                             ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 16:44                                               ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 17:35                                                 ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 18:44                                                   ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21  8:32                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-10-18 10:06                         ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-18 10:17                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-10-18 11:40                             ` Andrew Murray
2019-08-09 17:57 ` [PATCH V3 3/3] PCI: rcar: Recalculate inbound range alignment for each controller entry marek.vasut
2019-10-21 10:39   ` Andrew Murray
2019-08-16 10:52 ` [PATCH V3 1/3] PCI: rcar: Move the inbound index check Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-08-16 10:59   ` Marek Vasut
2019-08-16 11:10     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-15 20:14 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21 10:11 ` Andrew Murray

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