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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v2 01/39] Kconfig: introduce HAS_IOPORT option and select it as necessary
Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 15:08:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdWj5rmrP941DF7bsUXbiiemE-o2=8XqnAS-chgmpFFPQg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5239892986c94239a122ab2f7a18a7a5@AcuMS.aculab.com>

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:56 PM David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
> From: Maciej W. Rozycki
> > Sent: 06 May 2022 13:27
> > On Fri, 6 May 2022, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > >  If this is PCI/PCIe indeed, then an I/O access is just a different bit
> > > > pattern put on the bus/in the TLP in the address phase.  So what is there
> > > > inherent to the s390 architecture that prevents that different bit pattern
> > > > from being used?
> > >
> > > The hardware design for PCI on s390 is very different from any other
> > > architecture, and more abstract. Rather than implementing MMIO register
> > > access as pointer dereference, this is a separate CPU instruction that
> > > takes a device/bar plus offset as arguments rather than a pointer, and
> > > Linux encodes this back into a fake __iomem token.
> >
> >  OK, that seems to me like a reasonable and quite a clean design (on the
> > hardware side).
> >
> >  So what happens if the instruction is given an I/O rather than memory BAR
> > as the relevant argument?  Is the address space indicator bit (bit #0)
> > simply ignored or what?
>
> You don't understand something...
>
> For a memory BAR pci_ioremap() returns a token that can be used with readl().
> On most architectures readl() is just a memory access.
> This all fails on an I/O BAR.
>
> For an I/O BAR you want a similar pair of functions.
> On x86 the access function would need to use the 'in/out' instructions but
> there is no requirement for the token to be the native io port number.
> On many non-x86 architectures the access function would be a simple memory
> access - but a specific system (eg many ppc) may never actually allow
> such mappings to succeed.
>
> You might also want a third PCI mapping function that can map a memory
> BAR or an I/O BAR - with a suitable access function.
> On x86 this would need something like ioread8() for accesses.
> Except that function uses small integers for io port numbers
> (which is inherently dangerous).
>
> Nothing except the architecture specific implementation of the function
> to access an io BAR would ever go near a function called inb().
>
> The same is really true for other bus type - including ISA and EISA.
> (Ignoring the horrid of probing ISI bus devices - hopefully they
> are in the ACPI tables??_
> If a driver is probed on a ISA bus there ought to be functions
> equivalent to pci_ioremap() (for both memory and IO addresses)
> that return tokens appropriate for the specific bus.
>
> That is all a different load of churn.

A loooong time ago,  it was suggested to add register accessor
functions to struct device, so e.g. readl(dev, offset) would call
into these accessors, which would implement the bus-specific behavior.
No more worries about readl(), __raw_readl(), ioread32b(), or whatever
quirk is needed, at the (small on nowadays' machines) expense of
some indirection...

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-06 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-29 13:49 [RFC v2 00/39] Kconfig: Introduce HAS_IOPORT config option Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:49 ` [RFC v2 01/39] Kconfig: introduce HAS_IOPORT option and select it as necessary Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-01 22:40   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 21:08   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 21:31     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05  8:10       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 16:10       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-05 17:39         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05 19:53           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-06  9:12             ` Finn Thain
2022-05-06 11:18               ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-07  0:01                 ` Finn Thain
2022-05-07 13:14                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-07 23:59                     ` Finn Thain
2022-05-08  0:15                       ` Finn Thain
2022-05-06  9:38             ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-06 11:07               ` John Garry
2022-05-06 10:20           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 11:33             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-06 12:27               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:53                 ` David Laight
2022-05-06 13:08                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2022-05-06 13:40                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 14:03                     ` David Laight
2022-05-06 15:02                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-05-06 13:15                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 13:28                     ` David Laight
2022-05-06 14:44                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 14:56                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-05-06 15:03                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:53                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-06 13:15                   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-06 13:16                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:55                 ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-06 12:42               ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 02/39] ACPI: add dependency on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-04 13:23   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-05-04 17:53   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 19:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05  8:20       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 19:36         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 02/37] ata: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:27   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 03/37] ACPI: add dependency on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 03/39] ata: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 04/39] char: impi, tpm: depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:23   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:33     ` Ahmad Fatoum
2022-05-02 14:34       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 04/37] parport: PC style parport depends " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 05/37] char: impi, tpm: depend " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:02   ` Ahmad Fatoum
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 05/39] comedi: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 06/39] counter: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 06/37] speakup: add HAS_IOPORT dependency for SPEAKUP_SERIALIO Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:28   ` Samuel Thibault
2022-04-29 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:29   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 07/39] /dev/port: don't compile file operations without CONFIG_DEVPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 07/37] Input: gameport: add ISA and HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:29   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 08/37] comedi: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:30   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 08/39] drm: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 09/37] counter: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:30   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 09/39] firmware: dmi-sysfs: handle HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 10/39] gpio: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:32   ` William Breathitt Gray
2022-04-29 14:46     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 15:37       ` William Breathitt Gray
2022-05-01 21:55         ` Linus Walleij
2022-05-02 12:53           ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-03 13:08           ` David Laight
2022-05-03 14:03             ` William Breathitt Gray
2022-05-04 11:46             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 12:45               ` David Laight
2022-05-04 13:02                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-02 13:21         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 11/39] hwmon: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-30  0:37   ` Guenter Roeck
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 11/37] sound: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:30   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 12/39] i2c: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-14 14:06   ` Wolfram Sang
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 13/39] iio: adc: Kconfig: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-01 16:51   ` Jonathan Cameron
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 13/37] Input: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:31   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 14/37] iio: adc: Kconfig: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:31   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 14/39] Input: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 15/37] hwmon: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:31   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 15/39] Input: gameport: add ISA and " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 16/39] leds: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 18:54   ` Pavel Machek
2022-05-02  8:31     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 17/39] media: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 15:36   ` Sean Young
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 18/39] misc: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 19/39] mISDN: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 19/37] mpt fusion: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:32   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 20/39] " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 20/37] net: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:33   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 21/39] " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:13   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2022-05-01 22:48   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-03 12:45     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-03 13:36       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 21/37] pcmcia: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:33   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 22/39] parport: PC style parport depends on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 22/37] platform: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:33   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 23/39] PCI: make quirk using inw() depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-06-08 18:30   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 23/37] pnp: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:34   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 24/39] PCI/sysfs: make I/O resource depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-06-08 18:32   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 24/37] power: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:34   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 25/39] pcmcia: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-03 23:38   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 10:33     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-04 12:38       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 14:07         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-04 14:24           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 17:22             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-05  8:45               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-05 19:38                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 14:44       ` David Laight
2022-05-05 12:03         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 14:59       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 25/37] video: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:35   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 26/39] platform: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 26/37] rtc: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:46   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 27/39] pnp: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 27/37] scsi: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:46   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 28/39] power: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 28/37] staging: sm750fb: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:47   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 29/39] rtc: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-17 22:15   ` Alexandre Belloni
2022-05-18 13:47     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-06-01 12:25   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 29/37] tty: serial: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:47   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 30/39] scsi: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-04 20:42   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 21:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05 16:06       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 30/37] watchdog: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:47   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 31/37] drm: handle " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:47   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 31/39] sound: add " Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-09  8:53   ` Takashi Iwai
2022-05-09  9:20     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-09 10:07       ` Takashi Iwai
2022-05-09 12:14         ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 32/37] PCI/sysfs: make I/O resource depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:48   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 21:41   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 32/39] speakup: add HAS_IOPORT dependency for SPEAKUP_SERIALIO Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 33/37] PCI: make quirk using inw() depend on HAS_IOPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:48   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 21:44   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [RFC v2 33/39] staging: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:50 ` [PATCH 34/37] firmware: dmi-sysfs: handle HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:48   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 34/39] tty: serial: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-02  9:15   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [PATCH 35/37] /dev/port: don't compile file operations without CONFIG_DEVPORT Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:49   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 35/39] usb: handle HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-30 12:56   ` Alan Stern
2022-05-02  8:26     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [PATCH 36/37] " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:49   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 36/39] video: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [PATCH 37/37] asm-generic/io.h: drop inb() etc for HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:49   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 37/39] watchdog: add HAS_IOPORT dependencies Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-30  0:38   ` Guenter Roeck
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 38/39] wireless: " Niklas Schnelle
2022-04-29 14:40   ` Kalle Valo
2022-04-29 13:51 ` [RFC v2 39/39] asm-generic/io.h: drop inb() etc for HAS_IOPORT=n Niklas Schnelle

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