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From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Don Dutile <ddutile@redhat.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH mlx5-next v6 1/4] PCI: Add sysfs callback to allow MSI-X table size change of SR-IOV VFs
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 21:58:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YCwj4WsrVeklgl7i@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210216161212.GA805748@bjorn-Precision-5520>

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:12:12AM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> Proposed subject:
>
>   PCI/IOV: Add dynamic MSI-X vector assignment sysfs interface
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 09:33:44AM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 03:01:06PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 03:34:42PM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > From: Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>
>
> Here's a draft of the sort of thing I'm looking for here:
>
>   A typical cloud provider SR-IOV use case is to create many VFs for
>   use by guest VMs.  The VFs may not be assigned to a VM until a
>   customer requests a VM of a certain size, e.g., number of CPUs.  A
>   VF may need MSI-X vectors proportional to the number of CPUs in the
>   VM, but there is no standard way to change the number of MSI-X
>   vectors supported by a VF.
>
>   Some Mellanox ConnectX devices support dynamic assignment of MSI-X
>   vectors to SR-IOV VFs.  This can be done by the PF driver after VFs
>   are enabled, and it can be done without affecting VFs that are
>   already in use.  The hardware supports a limited pool of MSI-X
>   vectors that can be assigned to the PF or to individual VFs.  This
>   is device-specific behavior that requires support in the PF driver.
>
>   Add a read-only "sriov_vf_total_msix" sysfs file for the PF and a
>   writable "sriov_vf_msix_count" file for each VF.  Management
>   software may use these to learn how many MSI-X vectors are available
>   and to dynamically assign them to VFs before the VFs are passed
>   through to a VM.
>
>   If the PF driver implements the ->sriov_get_vf_total_msix()
>   callback, "sriov_vf_total_msix" contains the total number of MSI-X
>   vectors available for distribution among VFs.
>
>   If no driver is bound to the VF, writing "N" to
>   "sriov_vf_msix_count" uses the PF driver ->sriov_set_msix_vec_count()
>   callback to assign "N" MSI-X vectors to the VF.  When a VF driver
>   subsequently reads the MSI-X Message Control register, it will see
>   the new Table Size "N".

It is extremely helpful, I will copy/paste it to the commit message. Thanks.

>

<...>

> > > > + */
> > > > +int pci_enable_vf_overlay(struct pci_dev *dev)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	struct pci_dev *virtfn;
> > > > +	int id, ret;
> > > > +
> > > > +	if (!dev->is_physfn || !dev->sriov->num_VFs)
> > > > +		return 0;
> > > > +
> > > > +	ret = sysfs_create_files(&dev->dev.kobj, sriov_pf_dev_attrs);
> > >
> > > But I still don't like the fact that we're calling
> > > sysfs_create_files() and sysfs_remove_files() directly.  It makes
> > > complication and opportunities for errors.
> >
> > It is not different from any other code that we have in the kernel.
>
> It *is* different.  There is a general rule that drivers should not
> call sysfs_* [1].  The PCI core is arguably not a "driver," but it is
> still true that callers of sysfs_create_files() are very special, and
> I'd prefer not to add another one.

PCI for me is a bus, and bus is the right place to manage sysfs.
But it doesn't matter, we understand each other positions.

>
> > Let's be concrete, can you point to the errors in this code that I
> > should fix?
>
> I'm not saying there are current errors; I'm saying the additional
> code makes errors possible in future code.  For example, we hope that
> other drivers can use these sysfs interfaces, and it's possible they
> may not call pci_enable_vf_overlay() or pci_disable_vfs_overlay()
> correctly.

If not, we will fix, we just need is to ensure that sysfs name won't
change, everything else is easy to change.

>
> Or there may be races in device addition/removal.  We have current
> issues in this area, e.g., [2], and they're fairly subtle.  I'm not
> saying your patches have these issues; only that extra code makes more
> chances for mistakes and it's more work to validate it.
>
> > > I don't see the advantage of creating these files only when the PF
> > > driver supports this.  The management tools have to deal with
> > > sriov_vf_total_msix == 0 and sriov_vf_msix_count == 0 anyway.
> > > Having the sysfs files not be present at all might be slightly
> > > prettier to the person running "ls", but I'm not sure the code
> > > complication is worth that.
> >
> > It is more than "ls", right now sriov_numvfs is visible without relation
> > to the driver, even if driver doesn't implement ".sriov_configure", which
> > IMHO bad. We didn't want to repeat.
> >
> > Right now, we have many devices that supports SR-IOV, but small amount
> > of them are capable to rewrite their VF MSI-X table siz. We don't want
> > "to punish" and clatter their sysfs.
>
> I agree, it's clutter, but at least it's just cosmetic clutter (but
> I'm willing to hear discussion about why it's more than cosmetic; see
> below).

It is more than cosmetic and IMHO it is related to the driver role.
This feature is advertised, managed and configured by PF. It is very
natural request that the PF will view/hide those sysfs files.

>
> From the management software point of view, I don't think it matters.
> That software already needs to deal with files that don't exist (on
> old kernels) and files that contain zero (feature not supported or no
> vectors are available).

Right, in v0, I used static approach.

>
> From my point of view, pci_enable_vf_overlay() or
> pci_disable_vfs_overlay() are also clutter, at least compared to
> static sysfs attributes.
>
> > > I see a hint that Alex might have requested this "only visible when PF
> > > driver supports it" functionality, but I don't see that email on
> > > linux-pci, so I missed the background.
> >
> > First version of this patch had static files solution.
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20210103082440.34994-2-leon@kernel.org/#Z30drivers:pci:iov.c
>
> Thanks for the pointer to the patch.  Can you point me to the
> discussion about why we should use the "only visible when PF driver
> supports it" model?

It is hard to pinpoint specific sentence, this discussion is spread
across many emails and I implemented it in v4.

See this request from Alex:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20210114170543.143cce49@omen.home.shazbot.org/
and this is my acknowledge:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20210116082331.GL944463@unreal/

BTW, I asked more than once how these sysfs knobs should be handled in the PCI/core.

Thanks

>
> Bjorn
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/YBmG7qgIDYIveDfX@kroah.com/
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20200716110423.xtfyb3n6tn5ixedh@pali/

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-16 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-09 13:34 [PATCH mlx5-next v6 0/4] Dynamically assign MSI-X vectors count Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-09 13:34 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 1/4] PCI: Add sysfs callback to allow MSI-X table size change of SR-IOV VFs Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-15 21:01   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-16  7:33     ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-16 16:12       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-16 19:58         ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2021-02-17 18:02           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-17 19:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-17 20:28               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-17 23:52                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-18 10:15             ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-18 22:39               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-19  7:52                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-19  8:20                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 16:58                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-20 19:06                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-21  6:59                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-23 21:07                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-24  8:09                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-24 21:37                             ` Don Dutile
2021-02-24  9:53                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-24 15:07                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-02-21 13:00                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-21 13:55                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-21 15:01                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-21 15:30                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-16 20:37         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-09 13:34 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 2/4] net/mlx5: Add dynamic MSI-X capabilities bits Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-09 13:34 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 3/4] net/mlx5: Dynamically assign MSI-X vectors count Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-09 13:34 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 4/4] net/mlx5: Allow to the users to configure number of MSI-X vectors Leon Romanovsky
2021-02-09 21:06 ` [PATCH mlx5-next v6 0/4] Dynamically assign MSI-X vectors count Alexander Duyck
2021-02-14  5:24   ` Leon Romanovsky

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