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From: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
To: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <Lorenzo.Pieralisi@arm.com>
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	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/18] ARM/ARM64: Support hierarchical CPU arrangement for PSCI
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:54:39 +0200
Message-ID: <CAPDyKFr31SwmHHAREbR3dWMQ55LzzUyTc4M5FZvNsqWfX7SE8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190610103225.GA26602@e107155-lin>

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 12:32, Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 12:34:07PM -0700, Bjorn Andersson wrote:
> > On Fri 07 Jun 08:42 PDT 2019, Sudeep Holla wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:58:04AM +0200, Ulf Hansson wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 10:08, Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:23 PM Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This series enables support for hierarchical CPU arrangement, managed by PSCI
> > > > > > for ARM/ARM64. It's based on using the generic PM domain (genpd), which
> > > > > > recently was extended to manage devices belonging to CPUs.
> > > > >
> > > > > ACK for the patches touching cpuidle in this series (from the
> > > > > framework perspective), but I'm assuming it to be taken care of by
> > > > > ARM/ARM64 maintainers.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the ack! Yes, this is for PSCI/ARM maintainers.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, apologize for sending this in the merge window, but wanted to
> > > > take the opportunity for people to have a look before OSPM Pisa next
> > > > week.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I will start looking at this series. But I would request PSCI/other
> > > maintainers to wait until we see some comparison data before we merge.
> >
> > What comparison are you asking for here? Do you want to see the
> > improvement this series gives or are you hoping to compare it with some
> > other mechanism?
> >
>
> OK, I have mentioned this many times already, let me repeat it again.
> This series adds an alternative to the existing PC mode of CPU idle
> management. And it's clear that the main reason for the same is the
> improvement OSI mode offers vs the PC mode. I am asking the comparison
> for the same. And yes we need to compare apples with apples and not
> oranges here.

In the cover letter you see the two main reasons behind this series.
Yeah, OSI support is a part of the series, but OSI or PC mode is
orthogonal to the overall changes this series implements.

When it comes to comparing OSI mode vs PC mode, let's try to avoid
that tiring discussion again, please. :-)

My summary from the earlier ones, is that because the PSCI spec
includes support for OSI, we should also support it in the kernel (and
ATF). In a discussion offlist, Lorenzo agreed that it's okay to add,
without an apple to apple comparison. Maybe Lorenzo can fill in and
state this publicly, to save us all some time?

My final point in regards to the OSI mode support, it's a minor part
of the series. I don't see how that should hurt from a maintenance
point of view, or perhaps I am wrong? In any case, I offer my help
with review/maintenance in any form as you may see need/fit.

[...]

Kind regards
Uffe

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Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-13 19:22 Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 01/18] dt: psci: Update DT bindings to support hierarchical PSCI states Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-19 11:29   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 02/18] of: base: Add of_get_cpu_state_node() to get idle states for a CPU node Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 03/18] cpuidle: dt: Support hierarchical CPU idle states Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 04/18] ARM/ARM64: cpuidle: Let back-end init ops take the driver as input Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 15:00   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-06-10 10:20     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 05/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Simplify state node parsing Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 15:01   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 06/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Support hierarchical CPU idle states Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 15:03   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 07/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Prepare to use OS initiated suspend mode Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 15:17   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-06-10 10:21     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-10 10:42       ` Sudeep Holla
2019-07-16 14:53   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 08/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Prepare to support PM domains Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 15:21   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 09/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Add support for PM domains using genpd Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 15:27   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-06-10 10:21     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-10 10:59       ` Sudeep Holla
2019-07-16 15:05   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-07-18 11:04     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-18 13:19       ` Sudeep Holla
2019-07-18 17:57         ` Lina Iyer
2019-07-19  9:45           ` Sudeep Holla
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 10/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Add hierarchical domain idle states converter Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-09 15:31   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-07-16  8:45     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-16 14:51       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-07-18 11:43         ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-18 13:36           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 11/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Introduce psci_dt_topology_init() Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 12/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Add a helper to attach a CPU to its PM domain Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 13/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Attach the CPU's device " Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 14/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Manage runtime PM in the idle path for CPUs Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-16 15:53   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-07-18 10:35     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-18 13:30       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-07-18 16:54         ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-18 17:41           ` Lina Iyer
2019-07-18 21:49             ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-19 10:02               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 15/18] drivers: firmware: psci: Support CPU hotplug for the hierarchical model Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 15:31   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-06-10 10:21     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-10 11:02       ` Sudeep Holla
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 16/18] arm64: kernel: Respect the hierarchical CPU topology in DT for PSCI Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22 ` [PATCH 17/18] arm64: dts: Convert to the hierarchical CPU topology layout for MSM8916 Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-16 14:47   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-07-16 20:36     ` Lina Iyer
2019-07-17 17:18       ` Sudeep Holla
2019-05-13 19:23 ` [PATCH 18/18] arm64: dts: hikey: Convert to the hierarchical CPU topology layout Ulf Hansson
2019-05-13 19:23   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-16 14:47   ` Sudeep Holla
2019-07-18 10:48     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-07-18 13:11       ` Sudeep Holla
2019-05-14  8:08 ` [PATCH 00/18] ARM/ARM64: Support hierarchical CPU arrangement for PSCI Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-05-14  8:08   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-05-14  8:58   ` Ulf Hansson
2019-05-14  8:58     ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 15:42     ` Sudeep Holla
2019-06-07 19:34       ` Bjorn Andersson
2019-06-10 10:32         ` Sudeep Holla
2019-06-10 15:54           ` Ulf Hansson [this message]
2019-06-10 17:16             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-06-10 18:57               ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-18 11:56                 ` Ulf Hansson
2019-06-07 11:19 ` Ulf Hansson

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