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From: Douglas Raillard <douglas.raillard@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, rjw@rjwysocki.net, viresh.kumar@linaro.org,
	juri.lelli@redhat.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, qperret@qperret.net,
	patrick.bellasi@matbug.net, dh.han@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 0/6] sched/cpufreq: Make schedutil energy aware
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:50:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a1ce67d7-62c3-b78b-1d87-23ef4dbc2274@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191014145315.GZ2311@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi Peter,

On 10/14/19 3:53 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 02:44:54PM +0100, Douglas RAILLARD wrote:
>> This has been ligthly tested with a rtapp task ramping from 10% to 75%
>> utilisation on a big core. Results are improved by fast ramp-up
>> EWMA [1], since it greatly reduces the oscillation in frequency at first
>> idle when ramping up.
>>
>> [1] [PATCH] sched/fair: util_est: fast ramp-up EWMA on utilization increases
>>      Message-ID: <20190620150555.15717-1-patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
>>      https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190620150555.15717-1-patrick.bellasi@arm.com/
> 
> 
> I don't really see anything fundamentally weird here. Any actual numbers
> or other means of quantifying the improvement these patches bring?
> 

I posted some numbers based on a similar experiment on the v2 of that series that
are still applicable:

TL;DR the rt-app negative slack is divided by 1.75 by this series, with an
increase of 3% in total energy consumption. There is a burst every 0.6s, and
the average power consumption increase is proportional to the average number
of bursts.


The workload is an rt-app task ramping up from 5% to 75% util in one big step,
pinned on a big core. The whole cycle is 0.6s long (0.3s at 5% followed by 0.3s at 75%).
This cycle is repeated 20 times and the average of boosting is taken.

The test device is a Google Pixel 3 (Qcom Snapdragon 845) phone.
It has a lot more OPPs than a hikey 960, so gradations in boosting
are better reflected on frequency selection.

avg slack (higher=better):
     Average time between task sleep and its next periodic activation.
     See rt-app doc: https://github.com/scheduler-tools/rt-app/blob/9a50d76f726d7c325c82ac8c7ed9ed70e1c97937/doc/tutorial.txt#L631

avg negative slack (lower in absolute value=better):
     Same as avg slack, but only taking into account negative values.
     Negative slack means a task activation did not have enough time to complete before the next
     periodic activation fired, which is what we want to avoid.

boost energy overhead (lower=better):
     Extra power consumption induced by ramp boost, assuming continuous OPP space (infinite number of OPP)
     and single-CPU policies. In practice, fixed number of OPP decrease this value, and more CPU per policy increases it,
     since boost(policy) = max(boost(cpu) foreach cpu of policy)).

Without ramp boost:
+--------------------+--------------------+
|avg slack (us)      |avg negative slack  |
|                    |(us)                |
+--------------------+--------------------+
|6598.72             |-10217.13           |
|6595.49             |-10200.13           |
|6613.72             |-10401.06           |
|6600.29             |-9860.872           |
|6605.53             |-10057.64           |
|6612.05             |-10267.50           |
|6599.01             |-9939.60            |
|6593.79             |-9445.633           |
|6613.56             |-10276.75           |
|6595.44             |-9751.770           |
+--------------------+--------------------+
|average                                  |
+--------------------+--------------------+
|6602.76             |-10041.81           |
+--------------------+--------------------+


With ramp boost enabled:
+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+
|boost energy        |avg slack (us)      |avg negative slack  |
|overhead (%)        |                    |(us)                |
+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+
|3.05                |7148.93             |-5664.26            |
|3.04                |7144.69             |-5667.77            |
|3.05                |7149.05             |-5698.31            |
|2.97                |7126.71             |-6040.23            |
|3.02                |7140.28             |-5826.78            |
|3.03                |7135.11             |-5749.62            |
|3.05                |7140.24             |-5750.0             |
|3.05                |7144.84             |-5667.04            |
|3.07                |7157.30             |-5656.65            |
|3.06                |7154.65             |-5653.76            |
+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+
|average                                                       |
+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+
|3.039000            |7144.18             |-5737.44            |
+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+


The negative slack is due to missed activations while the utilization signals
increase during the big utilization step. Ramp boost is designed to boost frequency during
that phase, which materializes in 1.75 less negative slack, for an extra power
consumption under 3%.


Regards,
Douglas

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-14 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-11 13:44 [RFC PATCH v3 0/6] sched/cpufreq: Make schedutil energy aware Douglas RAILLARD
2019-10-11 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/6] PM: Introduce em_pd_get_higher_freq() Douglas RAILLARD
2019-10-17  8:57   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2019-10-17  9:58   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2019-10-17 11:09     ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-11 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/6] sched/cpufreq: Attach perf domain to sugov policy Douglas RAILLARD
2019-10-17  8:57   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2019-10-17 10:22     ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-11 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/6] sched/cpufreq: Hook em_pd_get_higher_power() into get_next_freq() Douglas RAILLARD
2019-10-11 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/6] sched/cpufreq: Introduce sugov_cpu_ramp_boost Douglas RAILLARD
2019-10-14 14:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-14 15:32     ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-17  8:57   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2019-10-17 11:19     ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-11 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 5/6] sched/cpufreq: Boost schedutil frequency ramp up Douglas RAILLARD
2019-10-17  9:21   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2019-10-11 13:45 ` [RFC PATCH v3 6/6] sched/cpufreq: Add schedutil_em_tp tracepoint Douglas RAILLARD
2019-10-14 14:53 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/6] sched/cpufreq: Make schedutil energy aware Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-14 15:50   ` Douglas Raillard [this message]
2019-10-17  9:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-17 11:11       ` Quentin Perret
2019-10-17 14:11         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-18  7:44           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2019-10-18  7:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-18 17:24               ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-18  8:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-17 14:23       ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-17 14:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-17 19:07         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-18 11:46           ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-18 12:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-18 14:44               ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-18 15:15                 ` Vincent Guittot
2019-10-18 16:03                   ` Douglas Raillard
2019-10-18 15:20                 ` Vincent Guittot

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