From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stephen Hemminger Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:27:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] ppp: add rtnetlink support Message-Id: <20160405082745.6d2d2aa6@xeon-e3> List-Id: References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Guillaume Nault Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-ppp@vger.kernel.org, Paul Mackerras , David Miller On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 02:56:17 +0200 Guillaume Nault wrote: > PPP devices lack the ability to be customised at creation time. In > particular they can't be created in a given netns or with a particular > name. Moving or renaming the device after creation is possible, but > creates undesirable transient effects on servers where PPP devices are > constantly created and removed, as users connect and disconnect. > Implementing rtnetlink support solves this problem. Good to see PPP behave like other tunnels. > The rtnetlink handlers implemented in this series are minimal, and can > only replace the PPPIOCNEWUNIT ioctl. The rest of PPP ioctls remains > necessary for any other operation on channels and units. > It is perfectly to possible to mix PPP devices created by rtnl > and by ioctl(PPPIOCNEWUNIT). Devices will behave in the same way, > except for a few specific cases (as detailed in patch #6). What blocks PPP from being fully netlink (use attributes), and work with same API set independent of how device was created. Special cases are nuisance and source of bugs. > I'm sending the series only as RFC this time, because there are a few > points I'm unsatisfied with. > > First, I'm not fond of passing file descriptors as netlink attributes, > as done with IFLA_PPP_DEV_FD (which is filled with a /dev/ppp fd). But > given how PPP units work, we have to associate a /dev/ppp fd somehow. > > More importantly, the locking constraints of PPP are quite problematic. > The rtnetlink handler has to associate the new PPP unit with the > /dev/ppp file descriptor passed as parameter. This requires holding the > ppp_mutex (see e8e56ffd9d29 "ppp: ensure file->private_data can't be > overridden"), while the rtnetlink callback is already protected by > rtnl_lock(). Since other parts of the module take these locks in > reverse order, most of this series deals with preparing the code for > inverting the dependency between rtnl_lock and ppp_mutex. Some more > work is needed on that part (see patch #4 for details), but I wanted > to be sure that approach it worth it before spending some more time on > it. One other way to handle the locking is to use trylock. Yes it justs pushs the problem back to userspace, but that is how lock reordering was handled in sysfs. > Other approach > > I've considered another approach where no /dev/ppp file descriptor > is associated to the PPP unit at creation time. This removes all the > problems described above. The PPP interface that is created behaves > mostly like a dummy device until it gets associated with a /dev/ppp > file descriptor (using the PPPIOCATTACH ioctl). > The problem here is that, AFAIK, we can't return the unit identifier of > the new PPP device to the user space program having issued the > RTM_NEWLINK message. This identifier is required for the > ioctl(PPPIOCATTACH) call. Of course we could return such information > in an RTM_GETLINK message, but the user would need to query the device > name that was created. This would only work for users that can set the > IFLA_IFNAME attribute in their original RTM_NEWLINK message. > > > Patch series > > Patches 1 to 3 prepare the code for inverting lock ordering between > ppp_mutex and rtnl_lock. Patch #4 does the lock inversion. > The actual infrastructure is implemented in patches #5 and #6.