From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33240C433E2 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BB520855 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bitfolk.com header.i=@bitfolk.com header.b="zXeoYNv2" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1725863AbgILLIH (ORCPT ); Sat, 12 Sep 2020 07:08:07 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:46740 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725825AbgILLH7 (ORCPT ); Sat, 12 Sep 2020 07:07:59 -0400 Received: from mail.bitfolk.com (mail.bitfolk.com [IPv6:2001:ba8:1f1:f019::25]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F044AC061573 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 04:07:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bitfolk.com; s=alpha; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=oDDXZTcY07kLmUXoxCMOL3ZHu1HV2LHU/L14OGFcN+M=; b=zXeoYNv2Zb8vxilTkBhw+JQ1ICtQ6CpATqfUvErgCC/Z8ulU2+NiUI5qLBNg+AyizTKtWTfOKW35gC9l+sYvX52M+LIY+LLkacsRBILKNZc38dwN0Eqhm+1DJsdrpXzcWoEL40NUpCy9ZuMNgaxqyEslO+B876ad61T4oLbTgiBJTWGOoR4JAO5by/Zu34ZbgmeFCcFUiv1s53LDCBH3GOSoT0CqJUrGjmPg5Ca9BculIG94DtEEMEOut8F+AyjjGYXHn/PaigpLvkEq1NpyWaeQkd3DvLBuAwIG+7z8liLrZ/AxlXzsxHoYvviDrc9rx9X23h9Z6UM7wzB5FzkQIA==; Received: from andy by mail.bitfolk.com with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kH3Nq-0001jf-HB for linux-raid@vger.kernel.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:07:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:07:54 +0000 From: Andy Smith To: Linux Raid Subject: Re: Config option for removing bbl on assembly? Message-ID: <20200912110754.GE31926@bitfolk.com> Mail-Followup-To: Linux Raid References: <20200904074557.GT13298@bitfolk.com> <583511729.466.1599908325671.JavaMail.zimbra@karlsbakk.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <583511729.466.1599908325671.JavaMail.zimbra@karlsbakk.net> OpenPGP: id=BF15490B; url=http://strugglers.net/~andy/pubkey.asc X-URL: http://strugglers.net/wiki/User:Andy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andy@strugglers.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.bitfolk.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-raid-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org Hi Roy, On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:58:45PM +0200, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > …or just remove the whole bbl, since it has virtually no function > and didn't even have it when it was introduced 10 years ago. Yes, I saw your recent thread on the subject, and the others going back years, and it did motivate me to think more about this. I haven't seen an opinion from the current maintainers but I read that Neil Brown thought it should not be removed but instead the bugs should be found and fixed. So there doesn't seem to be any prospect of this feature being removed. Given that, and that there is a config option to disable it, I was hoping it would be deemed less controversial to also have a way to remove on next (incremental) assembly. If you can't have your first choice of having the feature removed, would you support that? As an aside, I'm having a devil of a game trying to get the Debian installer to let me use "CREATE bbl=no". Not only does debian-installer use a config file at /tmp/mdadm.conf, but it appears to constantly rewrite it every time you enter the MD configuration section, so realistically it seems that the only way to create arrays without a bbl is to do it manually from the d-i shell. https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2020/09/msg00074.html Cheers, Andy