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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com>
To: Jinpu Wang <jinpu.wang@cloud.ionos.com>
Cc: Jinpu Wang <jinpuwang@gmail.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Danil Kipnis <danil.kipnis@cloud.ionos.com>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	"bvanassche@acm.org" <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	"dledford@redhat.com" <dledford@redhat.com>,
	Roman Pen <r.peniaev@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/25] InfiniBand Transport (IBTRS) and Network Block Device (IBNBD)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:19:37 +0000
Message-ID: <20190709131932.GI3436@mellanox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMGffE=T+FVfVzV5cCtVrm_6ikdJ9pjpFsPgx+t0EUpegoZELQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 03:15:46PM +0200, Jinpu Wang wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:06 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 01:37:39PM +0200, Jinpu Wang wrote:
> > > Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org> 于2019年7月9日周二 下午1:00写道:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 11:55:03AM +0200, Danil Kipnis wrote:
> > > > > Hallo Doug, Hallo Jason, Hallo Jens, Hallo Greg,
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you please provide some feedback to the IBNBD driver and the
> > > > > IBTRS library?
> > > > > So far we addressed all the requests provided by the community and
> > > > > continue to maintain our code up-to-date with the upstream kernel
> > > > > while having an extra compatibility layer for older kernels in our
> > > > > out-of-tree repository.
> > > > > I understand that SRP and NVMEoF which are in the kernel already do
> > > > > provide equivalent functionality for the majority of the use cases.
> > > > > IBNBD on the other hand is showing higher performance and more
> > > > > importantly includes the IBTRS - a general purpose library to
> > > > > establish connections and transport BIO-like read/write sg-lists over
> > > > > RDMA, while SRP is targeting SCSI and NVMEoF is addressing NVME. While
> > > > > I believe IBNBD does meet the kernel coding standards, it doesn't have
> > > > > a lot of users, while SRP and NVMEoF are widely accepted. Do you think
> > > > > it would make sense for us to rework our patchset and try pushing it
> > > > > for staging tree first, so that we can proof IBNBD is well maintained,
> > > > > beneficial for the eco-system, find a proper location for it within
> > > > > block/rdma subsystems? This would make it easier for people to try it
> > > > > out and would also be a huge step for us in terms of maintenance
> > > > > effort.
> > > > > The names IBNBD and IBTRS are in fact misleading. IBTRS sits on top of
> > > > > RDMA and is not bound to IB (We will evaluate IBTRS with ROCE in the
> > > > > near future). Do you think it would make sense to rename the driver to
> > > > > RNBD/RTRS?
> > > >
> > > > It is better to avoid "staging" tree, because it will lack attention of
> > > > relevant people and your efforts will be lost once you will try to move
> > > > out of staging. We are all remembering Lustre and don't want to see it
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > Back then, you was asked to provide support for performance superiority.
> > > > Can you please share any numbers with us?
> > > Hi Leon,
> > >
> > > Thanks for you feedback.
> > >
> > > For performance numbers,  Danil did intensive benchmark, and create
> > > some PDF with graphes here:
> > > https://github.com/ionos-enterprise/ibnbd/tree/master/performance/v4-v5.2-rc3
> > >
> > > It includes both single path results also different multipath policy results.
> > >
> > > If you have any question regarding the results, please let us know.
> >
> > I kind of recall that last time the perf numbers were skewed toward
> > IBNBD because the invalidation model for MR was wrong - did this get
> > fixed?
> >
> > Jason
> 
> Thanks Jason for feedback.
> Can you be  more specific about  "the invalidation model for MR was wrong"

MR's must be invalidated before data is handed over to the block
layer. It can't leave MRs open for access and then touch the memory
the MR covers.

IMHO this is the most likely explanation for any performance difference
from nvme..

> I checked in the history of the email thread, only found
> "I think from the RDMA side, before we accept something like this, I'd
> like to hear from Christoph, Chuck or Sagi that the dataplane
> implementation of this is correct, eg it uses the MRs properly and
> invalidates at the right time, sequences with dma_ops as required,
> etc.
> "
> And no reply from any of you since then.

This task still needs to happen..

Jason

  reply index

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20190620150337.7847-1-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 01/25] sysfs: export sysfs_remove_file_self() Jack Wang
2019-09-23 17:21   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25  9:30     ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-09  9:55 ` [PATCH v4 00/25] InfiniBand Transport (IBTRS) and Network Block Device (IBNBD) Danil Kipnis
2019-07-09 11:00   ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-07-09 11:17     ` Greg KH
2019-07-09 11:57       ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 13:32       ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-07-09 15:39       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-07-09 11:37     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 12:06       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-09 13:15         ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 13:19           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2019-07-09 14:17             ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 21:27             ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-19 13:12               ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-10 14:55     ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-09 12:04   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-09 19:45   ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-10 13:55     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-10 16:25       ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-10 17:25         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-10 19:11           ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-11  7:27             ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-11  8:54     ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-12  0:22       ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-12  7:57         ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-12 19:40           ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-15 11:21             ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-12 10:58         ` Danil Kipnis
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-26-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-07-09 15:10   ` [PATCH v4 25/25] MAINTAINERS: Add maintainer for IBNBD/IBTRS modules Leon Romanovsky
2019-07-09 15:18     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 15:51       ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-09-13 23:56   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-19 10:30     ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-16-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-13 22:10   ` [PATCH v4 15/25] ibnbd: private headers with IBNBD protocol structs and helpers Bart Van Assche
2019-09-15 14:30     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-16  5:27       ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-09-16 13:45         ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 15:41           ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-09-17 15:52             ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-16  7:08       ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-16 14:57       ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-16 17:25         ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 12:27           ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-16 15:39       ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-18 15:26         ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-18 16:11           ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-17-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-13 22:25   ` [PATCH v4 16/25] ibnbd: client: private header with client structs and functions Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 16:36     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-25 23:43       ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-26 10:00         ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-18-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-13 23:46   ` [PATCH v4 17/25] ibnbd: client: main functionality Bart Van Assche
2019-09-16 14:17     ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-16 16:46       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 11:39         ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-18  7:14           ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-18 15:47             ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-20  8:29               ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 22:26               ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-26  9:55                 ` Roman Penyaev
2019-09-26 15:01                   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27  8:52                     ` Roman Penyaev
2019-09-27  9:32                       ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-27 12:18                         ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-27 16:37                       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 16:50                         ` Roman Penyaev
2019-09-27 17:16                           ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 13:09     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-17 16:46       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-18 12:02         ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-18 16:05     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-14  0:00   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-25-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-13 23:58   ` [PATCH v4 24/25] ibnbd: a bit of documentation Bart Van Assche
2019-09-18 12:22     ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-19-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-18 16:28   ` [PATCH v4 18/25] ibnbd: client: sysfs interface functions Bart Van Assche
2019-09-19 15:55     ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-21-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-18 17:41   ` [PATCH v4 20/25] ibnbd: server: main functionality Bart Van Assche
2019-09-20  7:36     ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-20 15:42       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-23 15:19         ` Danil Kipnis
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-22-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-18 21:46   ` [PATCH v4 21/25] ibnbd: server: functionality for IO submission to file or block dev Bart Van Assche
2019-09-26 14:04     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-26 15:11       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-26 15:25         ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-26 15:29           ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-26 15:38             ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-26 15:42               ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-3-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 17:44   ` [PATCH v4 02/25] ibtrs: public interface header to establish RDMA connections Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 10:20     ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 15:38       ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-7-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 21:51   ` [PATCH v4 06/25] ibtrs: client: main functionality Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 17:36     ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 18:55       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 20:50         ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 21:08           ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 21:16             ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 22:53             ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 23:21               ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-26  9:16                 ` Danil Kipnis
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-4-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 22:50   ` [PATCH v4 03/25] ibtrs: private headers with IBTRS protocol structs and helpers Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 21:45     ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 21:57       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27  8:56     ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-5-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 23:03   ` [PATCH v4 04/25] ibtrs: core: lib functions shared between client and server modules Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 10:13     ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-6-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 23:05   ` [PATCH v4 05/25] ibtrs: client: private header with client structs and functions Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 10:18     ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-8-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 23:15   ` [PATCH v4 07/25] ibtrs: client: statistics functions Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 12:00     ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-10-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 23:21   ` [PATCH v4 09/25] ibtrs: server: private header with server structs and functions Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 12:04     ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-11-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 23:49   ` [PATCH v4 10/25] ibtrs: server: main functionality Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 15:03     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-27 15:11       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 15:19         ` Jinpu Wang
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-12-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-23 23:56   ` [PATCH v4 11/25] ibtrs: server: statistics functions Bart Van Assche
2019-10-02 15:15     ` Jinpu Wang
2019-10-02 15:42       ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-10-02 15:45         ` Jinpu Wang
2019-10-02 16:00           ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found] ` <20190620150337.7847-13-jinpuwang@gmail.com>
2019-09-24  0:00   ` [PATCH v4 12/25] ibtrs: server: sysfs interface functions Bart Van Assche
2019-10-02 15:11     ` Jinpu Wang

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