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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 01/19] fs/locks: Export F_LAYOUT lease to user space
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:38:10 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190814113810.GJ7777@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ba29bfa22f82e6d880ab31c3835047f3353f05a.camel@kernel.org>

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 07:21:34AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-08-14 at 18:05 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 10:36:26AM -0700, Ira Weiny wrote:
> > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 09:52:31AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 03:58:15PM -0700, ira.weiny@intel.com wrote:
> > > > > +	/*
> > > > > +	 * NOTE on F_LAYOUT lease
> > > > > +	 *
> > > > > +	 * LAYOUT lease types are taken on files which the user knows that
> > > > > +	 * they will be pinning in memory for some indeterminate amount of
> > > > > +	 * time.
> > > > 
> > > > Indeed, layout leases have nothing to do with pinning of memory.
> > > 
> > > Yep, Fair enough.  I'll rework the comment.
> > > 
> > > > That's something an application taht uses layout leases might do,
> > > > but it largely irrelevant to the functionality layout leases
> > > > provide. What needs to be done here is explain what the layout lease
> > > > API actually guarantees w.r.t. the physical file layout, not what
> > > > some application is going to do with a lease. e.g.
> > > > 
> > > > 	The layout lease F_RDLCK guarantees that the holder will be
> > > > 	notified that the physical file layout is about to be
> > > > 	changed, and that it needs to release any resources it has
> > > > 	over the range of this lease, drop the lease and then
> > > > 	request it again to wait for the kernel to finish whatever
> > > > 	it is doing on that range.
> > > > 
> > > > 	The layout lease F_RDLCK also allows the holder to modify
> > > > 	the physical layout of the file. If an operation from the
> > > > 	lease holder occurs that would modify the layout, that lease
> > > > 	holder does not get notification that a change will occur,
> > > > 	but it will block until all other F_RDLCK leases have been
> > > > 	released by their holders before going ahead.
> > > > 
> > > > 	If there is a F_WRLCK lease held on the file, then a F_RDLCK
> > > > 	holder will fail any operation that may modify the physical
> > > > 	layout of the file. F_WRLCK provides exclusive physical
> > > > 	modification access to the holder, guaranteeing nothing else
> > > > 	will change the layout of the file while it holds the lease.
> > > > 
> > > > 	The F_WRLCK holder can change the physical layout of the
> > > > 	file if it so desires, this will block while F_RDLCK holders
> > > > 	are notified and release their leases before the
> > > > 	modification will take place.
> > > > 
> > > > We need to define the semantics we expose to userspace first.....
> 
> Absolutely.
> 
> > > 
> > > Agreed.  I believe I have implemented the semantics you describe above.  Do I
> > > have your permission to use your verbiage as part of reworking the comment and
> > > commit message?
> > 
> > Of course. :)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> 
> I'll review this in more detail soon, but subsequent postings of the set
> should probably also go to linux-api mailing list. This is a significant
> API change. It might not also hurt to get the glibc folks involved here
> too since you'll probably want to add the constants to the headers there
> as well.

Sure, but lets first get it to the point where we have something
that is actually workable, much more complete and somewhat validated
with unit tests before we start involving too many people. Wide
review of prototype code isn't really a good use of resources given
how much it's probably going to change from here...

> Finally, consider going ahead and drafting a patch to the fcntl(2)
> manpage if you think you have the API mostly nailed down. This API is a
> little counterintuitive (i.e. you can change the layout with an F_RDLCK
> lease), so it will need to be very clearly documented. I've also found
> that when creating a new API, documenting it tends to help highlight its
> warts and areas where the behavior is not clearly defined.

I find writing unit tests for xfstests to validate the new APIs work
as intended finds far more problems with the API than writing the
documentation. :)

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-14 11:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-09 22:58 [RFC PATCH v2 00/19] RDMA/FS DAX truncate proposal V1,000,002 ;-) ira.weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/19] fs/locks: Export F_LAYOUT lease to user space ira.weiny
2019-08-09 23:52   ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-12 17:36     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-14  8:05       ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-14 11:21         ` Jeff Layton
2019-08-14 11:38           ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/19] fs/locks: Add Exclusive flag to user Layout lease ira.weiny
2019-08-14 14:15   ` Jeff Layton
2019-08-14 21:56     ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-26 10:41       ` Jeff Layton
2019-08-29 23:34         ` Ira Weiny
2019-09-04 12:52           ` Jeff Layton
2019-09-04 23:12   ` John Hubbard
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/19] mm/gup: Pass flags down to __gup_device_huge* calls ira.weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/19] mm/gup: Ensure F_LAYOUT lease is held prior to GUP'ing pages ira.weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/19] fs/ext4: Teach ext4 to break layout leases ira.weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/19] fs/ext4: Teach dax_layout_busy_page() to operate on a sub-range ira.weiny
2019-08-23 15:18   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-29 18:52     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/19] fs/xfs: Teach xfs to use new dax_layout_busy_page() ira.weiny
2019-08-09 23:30   ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-12 18:05     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-14  8:04       ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/19] fs/xfs: Fail truncate if page lease can't be broken ira.weiny
2019-08-09 23:22   ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-12 18:08     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/19] mm/gup: Introduce vaddr_pin structure ira.weiny
2019-08-10  0:06   ` John Hubbard
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/19] mm/gup: Pass a NULL vaddr_pin through GUP fast ira.weiny
2019-08-10  0:06   ` John Hubbard
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/19] mm/gup: Pass follow_page_context further down the call stack ira.weiny
2019-08-10  0:18   ` John Hubbard
2019-08-12 19:01     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/19] mm/gup: Prep put_user_pages() to take an vaddr_pin struct ira.weiny
2019-08-10  0:30   ` John Hubbard
2019-08-12 20:46     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/19] {mm,file}: Add file_pins objects ira.weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/19] fs/locks: Associate file pins while performing GUP ira.weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/19] mm/gup: Introduce vaddr_pin_pages() ira.weiny
2019-08-10  0:09   ` John Hubbard
2019-08-12 21:00     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-12 21:20       ` John Hubbard
2019-08-11 23:07   ` John Hubbard
2019-08-12 21:01     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-12 12:28   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-12 21:48     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-13 11:47       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-13 17:46         ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-13 17:56           ` John Hubbard
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/19] RDMA/uverbs: Add back pointer to system file object ira.weiny
2019-08-12 13:00   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-12 17:28     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-12 17:56       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-12 21:15         ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-13 11:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-13 17:41             ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-13 18:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-13 20:38                 ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-14 12:23                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-14 17:50                     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-14 18:15                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-09-04 22:25                     ` Ira Weiny
2019-09-11  8:19                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/19] RDMA/umem: Convert to vaddr_[pin|unpin]* operations ira.weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/19] {mm,procfs}: Add display file_pins proc ira.weiny
2019-08-09 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/19] mm/gup: Remove FOLL_LONGTERM DAX exclusion ira.weiny
2019-08-14 10:17 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/19] RDMA/FS DAX truncate proposal V1,000,002 ;-) Jan Kara
2019-08-14 18:08   ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-15 13:05     ` Jan Kara
2019-08-16 19:05       ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-16 23:20         ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/19] RDMA/FS DAX truncate proposal V1,000,002 ; -) Ira Weiny
2019-08-19  6:36           ` Jan Kara
2019-08-17  2:26         ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/19] RDMA/FS DAX truncate proposal V1,000,002 ;-) Dave Chinner
2019-08-19  6:34           ` Jan Kara
2019-08-19  9:24             ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-19 12:38               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-19 21:53                 ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-20  1:12                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-20 11:55                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-21 18:02                     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-21 18:13                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-21 18:22                         ` John Hubbard
2019-08-21 18:57                         ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-21 19:06                           ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-21 19:48                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-21 20:44                             ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-21 23:49                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-23  3:23                               ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-23 12:04                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-24  0:11                                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-24  5:08                                     ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-26  5:55                                       ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-29  2:02                                         ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-29  3:27                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-08-29 16:16                                             ` Ira Weiny
2019-09-02 22:26                                           ` Dave Chinner
2019-09-04 16:54                                             ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-25 19:39                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-24  4:49                                 ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-25 19:40                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-23  0:59                       ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-23 17:15                         ` Ira Weiny
2019-08-24  0:18                           ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-20  0:05               ` John Hubbard
2019-08-20  1:20                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-20  3:09                   ` John Hubbard
2019-08-20  3:36                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-21 18:43                       ` John Hubbard
2019-08-21 19:09                         ` Ira Weiny

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