From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>,
Jeff Kirsher <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com>,
davem@davemloft.net, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
Dave Ertman <david.m.ertman@intel.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
nhorman@redhat.com, sassmann@redhat.com,
Kiran Patil <kiran.patil@intel.com>,
Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [net-next v2 1/1] virtual-bus: Implementation of Virtual Bus
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 11:50:11 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191123114911-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191121134438.GA7448@ziepe.ca>
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 09:44:38AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:24:03PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:03:57PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > Frankly, when I look at what this virtio stuff is doing I see RDMA:
> > > - Both have a secure BAR pages for mmaping to userspace (or VM)
> > > - Both are prevented from interacting with the device at a register
> > > level and must call to the kernel - ie creating resources is a
> > > kernel call - for security.
> > > - Both create command request/response rings in userspace controlled
> > > memory and have HW DMA to read requests and DMA to generate responses
> > > - Both allow the work on the rings to DMA outside the ring to
> > > addresses controlled by userspace.
> > > - Both have to support a mixture of HW that uses on-device security
> > > or IOMMU based security.
> >
> > The main difference is userspace/drivers need to be portable with
> > virtio.
>
> rdma also has a stable/portable user space library API that is
> portable to multiple operating systems.
>
> What you don't like is that RDMA userspace has driver-specific
> code. Ie the kernel interface is not fully hardware independent.
>
> Jason
Right. Not that I don't like it, it has some advantages too.
But it's addressing a different need which a vendor
specific userspace driver doesn't address.
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-11-23 16:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-11-15 22:33 [net-next v2 1/1] virtual-bus: Implementation of Virtual Bus Jeff Kirsher
2019-11-15 23:25 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19 3:58 ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-19 4:31 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19 4:39 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19 17:46 ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-19 18:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-19 17:44 ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-19 4:08 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-19 4:36 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19 6:51 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-19 7:13 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19 7:37 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-19 15:14 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-20 3:15 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 3:38 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-20 4:07 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 13:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-21 4:06 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 8:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 12:03 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-19 16:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-19 18:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-19 19:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-19 21:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-19 19:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-19 21:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-19 23:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 0:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 1:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 3:59 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 5:34 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 13:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 14:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 17:28 ` Alex Williamson
2019-11-20 18:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 22:07 ` Alex Williamson
2019-11-20 22:39 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-21 8:17 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21 3:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-21 4:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-21 13:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-23 16:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2019-11-21 7:21 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21 14:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-22 8:45 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-22 18:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-23 4:39 ` Tiwei Bie
2019-11-23 23:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-24 11:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-24 14:56 ` Tiwei Bie
2019-11-25 0:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-24 14:51 ` Tiwei Bie
2019-11-24 15:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-25 0:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-25 12:59 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-23 16:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-21 5:22 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21 6:59 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21 3:52 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 7:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 13:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 13:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 14:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 14:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 16:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 22:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-21 1:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-21 4:53 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 3:29 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 3:24 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 13:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-21 3:57 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21 15:10 ` Martin Habets
2019-11-22 9:13 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-22 16:19 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-26 12:26 ` Martin Habets
2019-11-27 10:58 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-27 11:03 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-15 23:42 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-18 7:48 ` Greg KH
2019-11-18 22:57 ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-19 8:04 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-19 17:50 ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-18 7:49 ` Greg KH
2019-11-18 22:55 ` Ertman, David M
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