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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20190128_083826_738504_25AC98DD X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 13.49 ) X-BeenThere: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "mark.rutland@arm.com" , Christoph Hellwig , Damien Le Moal , Olof Johansson , "alankao@andestech.com" , "abner.chang@hpe.com" , Atish Patra , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Palmer Dabbelt , "zong@andestech.com" , ron minnich , "sw-dev@groups.riscv.org" , Paul Walmsley , Anup Patel , "mick@ics.forth.gr" , Alistair Francis , "linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org" , Andrew Waterman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-riscv" Errors-To: linux-riscv-bounces+infradead-linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On 28.01.19 17:33, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:44 PM Alexander Graf wrote: > >>> If Risc-V wants to avoid fragmentation, it should simply keep a firmer >>> reign in what is allowed in an implementation and keep a lid on such >>> horrid ideas as vendor specific userspace ISA extensions. >> >> I tend to agree here. I think a global identification scheme is >> reasonable. But can't we just live with a single global spec that people >> contribute to? > > unfortunately, alexander, the RISC-V Foundation has chosen to exclude > people from the discussion, by choosing an ITU-style ("Cartelled") > secretive standards development process. > > so as an "outsider" who for whatever reason cannot join that closed, > secretive process (for example a strategically-critical u-boot or > linux kernel developer with decades of relevant experience but who is > under contract) even if you wanted to contribute to a single global > spec, you can't. > > the reasons why the ITU-style Cartel was set up have been discussed > and made clear (patents); the justifications were knocked down; there > was no response. I can see why you want to have a process like that in place for the ISA itself, but the SBI spec really should not have anything "innovative" or patentable. At the end of the day, it's a communication mechanism. 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