From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>
Cc: vincentc@andestech.com, aou@eecs.berkeley.edu,
alankao@andestech.com, greentime@andestech.com,
zong@andestech.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
kito@andestech.com, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
deanbo422@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] RISC-V: A proposal to add vendor-specific code
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:51:11 +0100 [thread overview]
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On 11/7/18, Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:52:52 PST (-0800), Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On 11/5/18, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 02:58:07PM +0800, Vincent Chen wrote:
>>>> Many thanks for kinds of comments. I quickly synthesize the comments
>>>> and
>>>> list them as below.
>>>> 1. The kernel image shall include all vendor-specific code.
>>>
>>> I fundamentally disagree with this… and think it should be the contrary.
>>>
>>> 1. The kernel shall support no vendor specific instructions whatsoever,
>>> period.
>>
>> I think what was meant above is
>>
>> 1. If a vendor extension requires kernel support, that support
>> must be able to be built into a kernel image without breaking support
>> for CPUs that do not have that extension, to allow building a single
>> kernel image that works on all CPUs.
>
> Yes. I don't want anything that won't compile with upstream GCC, but I also
>
> don't want to have a Kconfig that says "make the kernel only work on
> $VENDOR's implementation". I think this can be achieved, at least for the
> cases I've seen so far.
I think over time, the implementations will diverge. Ignoring the question
of vendor extensions for the moment, you will definitely have to deal with
combinations of (future) standard extensions. I can see two ways of
doing that: Either each extension is a separate Kconfig option and you
have to know which one to enable or disable for a particular target,
or you list each platform separately with one Kconfig option, and
have Kconfig/Kbuild work out which features to enable or disable
based on that to get the fastest and most featureful kernel that still
works on all enabled platforms.
Arnd
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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-31 10:35 [RFC 0/2] RISC-V: A proposal to add vendor-specific code Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` [RFC 1/2] RISC-V: An infrastructure " Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` [RFC 2/2] RISC-V: make dma_map_ops work without cache coherent agent Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 11:16 ` [RFC 0/2] RISC-V: A proposal to add vendor-specific code Anup Patel
2018-10-31 11:16 ` Anup Patel
2018-10-31 11:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-10-31 11:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-10-31 14:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-10-31 14:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-01 0:55 ` Alan Kao
2018-11-01 0:55 ` Alan Kao
2018-11-01 17:50 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-01 17:50 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-02 0:41 ` Alan Kao
2018-11-02 0:41 ` Alan Kao
2018-10-31 17:27 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-10-31 17:27 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-10-31 19:17 ` Olof Johansson
2018-10-31 19:17 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-01 17:48 ` Karsten Merker
2018-11-05 6:58 ` Vincent Chen
2018-11-05 6:58 ` Vincent Chen
2018-11-05 7:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-05 7:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-05 8:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-05 8:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-05 9:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-05 9:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-05 13:51 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-05 13:51 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-06 6:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-06 6:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-06 23:45 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-06 23:45 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-07 9:51 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2018-11-07 9:51 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-06 23:45 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-06 23:45 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-08 2:43 ` Vincent Chen
2018-11-08 2:43 ` Vincent Chen
2018-11-05 19:39 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-05 19:39 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-06 6:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-06 6:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
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