From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E9BC43441 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6279C20840 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lists.infradead.org header.i=@lists.infradead.org header.b="mszftleK"; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="nKA6W7r9"; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=lkcl.net header.i=@lkcl.net header.b="ABrLBQ9w" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 6279C20840 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lkcl.net Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-riscv-bounces+infradead-linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Cc:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post: List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:From: In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: List-Owner; bh=tCUaCqsMzS73RuoS93rashbWOTgqyltDRwrHAGQsDiY=; b=mszftleKHmWZck KB0F5RXrW0ahMC1p0TTqwoaNPR5W10SEtechWwC7WK6MudzmZZCu608clbwc1BzCPgNbyBT1/zGxb upQzu2Q0g9gUExS3sl59kAEm3x9zsk0b9NYQG/mgsGHCr98PI63b9gCaHuWYkjY+0yVQUJmLhSY0e JEVbNHVSawzigVaRg+/r7raX9FShjhfSkWgHIEwPcywgoWmOit//VnYslsdjR48W2evdISC4FGGKD evufAZcKL51Bx868Hr5q4pf059Pv0LD5Nhh8pZDJMZlPqt4aiiR+CFGPnywNvdXj0yKENQwoBG2zJ nMaGwNqwsvW7RqoY7PGA==; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1gLXUG-00036s-Cp; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:56:00 +0000 Received: from casper.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1236::1]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1gLXUE-00036C-W7 for linux-riscv@bombadil.infradead.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:55:58 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=casper.20170209; h=Content-Type:Cc:To:Subject:Message-ID: Date:From:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gLiQaqpzy2ttb25rHJXGFECYnqPRNYDH8ZECLe68QNI=; b=nKA6W7r9FFoM45R3b7oeVZBBr MpfjzPEae6FmehYr6w/43ChlONyvcE6T4+I/I5am+lcIolcAFBUc0r5Q1KH6EoUaDADj1dyntmRr2 JNO4MgdNl+5BAsVXij1/RfvPhNjZVhSj5hL84jSkM7y/Kk9I+hDVygwHA6M9UlgUtg0rRuaAheDyB BVgFyBkLIAYi828muhscO5wYiPXTS6kC5mIXpB9oBBcug1vuuPU5lyTI/NHHHoLgTKl90StB/3Xhk /PyJp00Dg4HzE/BN1bNQG4txe81NjVy2rVYbeVpTAEy09Lo6cvmLdsH5Gs3pIbnrtLlevF6b2r6Ly 39sBnbVOw==; Received: from lkcl.net ([217.147.94.29]) by casper.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1gLXUC-0001hE-7a for linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:55:57 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lkcl.net; s=201607131; h=Content-Type:Cc:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:From:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version; bh=gLiQaqpzy2ttb25rHJXGFECYnqPRNYDH8ZECLe68QNI=; b=ABrLBQ9wBbswYISkbuOyse0TU8080PT1YjwSBTsTZmYvKP2m7pkBT9sEUqGaDPITZrV3Fz86CW/2nIVCIEEip+yYOJE6pAlWqzhl7t9mZEBZecSKou37kBsLuc7MuZz5sFCBs26UzL0POTUuQEo4wDtI7PdO6TD3q7xFunHmAWU=; Received: from mail-lf1-f41.google.com ([209.85.167.41]) by lkcl.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gLXU4-0008GN-Hr for linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:55:48 +0000 Received: by mail-lf1-f41.google.com with SMTP id u18so3499878lff.10 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gI59fwdRMmM9/aIlDt6xlM8aWmSyZPimjjJo1fEG19xIWTEC2a6 Qk2RXjqCMGNpPEw8Cw/edhPM7abnWlK6kYAYfog= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5coGXX2KK55XWAISz7MJUlJjEtJhYUGMJ+uu/f8enwhNgSnS8LJ9l8UUbO2iFDaX8BknQsDn7dvIwuadPOKlx4= X-Received: by 2002:a19:4f0c:: with SMTP id d12mr7749969lfb.121.1541872519117; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:55:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4aef7216-726c-f565-5c0f-cebd2aefb46d@wdc.com> <2e5329eff04e2b0bc2433b5d974bf10f@mailhost.ics.forth.gr> In-Reply-To: From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:55:07 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [sw-dev] SBI extension proposal v2 To: Samuel Falvo II X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20181110_175556_279131_FFBD1277 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 11.03 ) X-BeenThere: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: mark.rutland@arm.com, hch@infradead.org, Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com, Olof Johansson , alankao@andestech.com, abner.chang@hpe.com, atish.patra@wdc.com, Anup Patel , Palmer Dabbelt , Alexander Graf , zong@andestech.com, ron minnich , sw-dev@groups.riscv.org, paul.walmsley@sifive.com, mick@ics.forth.gr, Alistair.Francis@wdc.com, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Andrew Waterman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-riscv" Errors-To: linux-riscv-bounces+infradead-linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org Message-ID: <20181110175507.u7Jx-2JiQ1cHm8ha9xHmdRWq0qYRcqKS-8QOooaos5k@z> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:48 PM Samuel Falvo II wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 9:43 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: > > it's also not an appropriate argument. nobody sensible would port a > > POSIX pppd from userspace into boot-level firmware. the argument also > > ignores the dozens of other advantageous potential use-cases. > > Regrettably, if it's one thing we've all learned from PC clone > manufacturers and BIOS vendors, it's that they're not sensible. > They're not reasonable. And they're anything but sane. > > Servers designed for use in data centers are on the market right now > with adapters fully equipped with TCP/IP stacks in firmware *just* to > give a remote operator control over a computer's PS/2 or serial ports, > for instance. > > You can bank that it'll happen with RISC-V as well. *snort* yeah. is that a good enough reason to terminate all and any discussion of enhancing a general-purpose generic API that has several other beneficial use-cases? reminds me of the adage "guns don't kill people: people kill people". l. _______________________________________________ linux-riscv mailing list linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-riscv