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From: Nick Hu <nickhu@andestech.com>
To: Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>
Cc: "離職Zong Zong-Xian Li(李宗憲)" <zong@andestech.com>,
	"aou@eecs.berkeley.edu" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
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	"Atish Patra" <Atish.Patra@wdc.com>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@sifive.com>,
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	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] riscv: Add memmove string operation.
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:12:25 +0800
Message-ID: <20190815031225.GA5666@andestech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.9999.1908141002500.18249@viisi.sifive.com>

Hi Paul,

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:03:39AM -0700, Paul Walmsley wrote:
> Hi Nick,
> 
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, Nick Hu wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:22:15AM +0800, Paul Walmsley wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019, Palmer Dabbelt wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:04:46 PDT (-0700), Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 03:19:14PM +0800, Nick Hu wrote:
> > > > > > There are some features which need this string operation for compilation,
> > > > > > like KASAN. So the purpose of this porting is for the features like KASAN
> > > > > > which cannot be compiled without it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > KASAN's string operations would replace the original string operations and
> > > > > > call for the architecture defined string operations. Since we don't have
> > > > > > this in current kernel, this patch provides the implementation.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This porting refers to the 'arch/nds32/lib/memmove.S'.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This looks sensible to me, although my stringop asm is rather rusty,
> > > > > so just an ack and not a real review-by:
> > > > 
> > > > FWIW, we just write this in C everywhere else and rely on the compiler to
> > > > unroll the loops.  I always prefer C to assembly when possible, so I'd prefer
> > > > if we just adopt the string code from newlib.  We have a RISC-V-specific
> > > > memcpy in there, but just use the generic memmove.
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe the best bet here would be to adopt the newlib memcpy/memmove as generic
> > > > Linux functions?  They're both in C so they should be fine, and they both look
> > > > faster than what's in lib/string.c.  Then everyone would benefit and we don't
> > > > need this tricky RISC-V assembly.  Also, from the look of it the newlib code
> > > > is faster because the inner loop is unrolled.
> > > 
> > > There's a generic memmove implementation in the kernel already:
> > > 
> > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/linux/string.h#n362
> > > 
> > > Nick, could you tell us more about why the generic memmove() isn't 
> > > suitable?
> > 
> > KASAN has its own string operations(memcpy/memmove/memset) because it needs to
> > hook some code to check memory region. It would undefined the original string
> > operations and called the string operations with the prefix '__'. But the
> > generic string operations didn't declare with the prefix. Other archs with
> > KASAN support like arm64 and xtensa all have their own string operations and
> > defined with the prefix.
> 
> Thanks for the explanation.  What do you think about Palmer's idea to 
> define a generic C set of KASAN string operations, derived from the newlib 
> code?
> 
> 
> - Paul

That sounds good to me. But it should be another topic. We need to investigate
it further about replacing something generic and fundamental in lib/string.c
with newlib C functions.  Some blind spots may exist.  So I suggest, let's
consider KASAN for now.

Nick

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Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-07  7:19 [PATCH 0/2] KASAN support for RISC-V Nick Hu
2019-08-07  7:19 ` [PATCH 1/2] riscv: Add memmove string operation Nick Hu
2019-08-12 15:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-13 23:50     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2019-08-14  2:22       ` Paul Walmsley
2019-08-14  3:27         ` Nick Hu
2019-08-14 17:03           ` Paul Walmsley
2019-08-15  3:12             ` Nick Hu [this message]
2019-08-15 18:27               ` Paul Walmsley
2019-08-19  6:29                 ` Nick Hu
2019-08-14 18:33         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2019-08-07  7:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] riscv: Add KASAN support Nick Hu
2019-08-12 15:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-14  7:44     ` Nick Hu

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