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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	yi.z.zhang@linux.intel.com,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
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	Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@oracle.com>,
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	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com>,
	Anthony Yznaga <anthony.yznaga@oracle.com>,
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	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 7/7] mm: better document PG_reserved
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 19:13:21 +0100
Message-ID: <35689ede-d86e-d692-adae-bc2f1adfb2ab@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181205173201.GA11646@bombadil.infradead.org>

On 05.12.18 18:32, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 04:05:12PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 05.12.18 15:35, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 01:28:51PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> I don't see a reason why we have to document "Some of them might not even
>>>> exist". If there is a user, we should document it. E.g. for balloon
>>>> drivers we now use PG_offline to indicate that a page might currently
>>>> not be backed by memory in the hypervisor. And that is independent from
>>>> PG_reserved.
>>>
>>> I think you're confused by the meaning of "some of them might not even
>>> exist".  What this means is that there might not be memory there; maybe
>>> writes to that memory will be discarded, or maybe they'll cause a machine
>>> check.  Maybe reads will return ~0, or 0, or cause a machine check.
>>> We just don't know what's there, and we shouldn't try touching the memory.
>>
>> If there are users, let's document it. And I need more details for that :)
>>
>> 1. machine check: if there is a HW error, we set PG_hwpoison (except
>> ia64 MCA, see the list)
>>
>> 2. Writes to that memory will be discarded
>>
>> Who is the user of that? When will we have such pages right now?
>>
>> 3. Reads will return ~0, / 0?
>>
>> I think this is a special case of e.g. x86? But where do we have that,
>> are there any user?
> 
> When there are gaps in the physical memory.  As in, if you put that
> physical address on the bus (or in a packet), no device will respond
> to it.  Look:
> 
> 00000000-00000fff : Reserved
> 00001000-00057fff : System RAM
> 00058000-00058fff : Reserved
> 00059000-0009dfff : System RAM
> 0009e000-000fffff : Reserved
> 
> Those examples I gave are examples of how various different architectures
> respond to "no device responded to this memory access".
> 

Okay, so for this memory we will have
a) vmmaps
b) Memory block devices
c) A sections that is online

So essentially "Gaps in physical memory" which is part of a online section.

This might be a candidate for PG_offline as well.

Thanks for the info, I'll try to find out how such things are handled.
In general I assume this memory has to be readable, because otherwise
kdump and friends would crash already when trying to dump?

-- 

Thanks,

David / dhildenb

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Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-05 12:28 [PATCH RFC 0/7] mm: PG_reserved cleanups and documentation David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 12:28 ` [PATCH RFC 1/7] agp: efficeon: no need to set PG_reserved on GATT tables David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 12:28 ` [PATCH RFC 2/7] s390/vdso: don't clear PG_reserved David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 12:28 ` [PATCH RFC 3/7] powerpc/vdso: " David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 12:28 ` [PATCH RFC 4/7] riscv/vdso: " David Hildenbrand
2018-12-07 18:45   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-12-05 12:28 ` [PATCH RFC 5/7] m68k/mm: use __ClearPageReserved() David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 12:28 ` [PATCH RFC 6/7] arm64: kexec: no need to ClearPageReserved() David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 14:00   ` James Morse
2018-12-05 12:28 ` [PATCH RFC 7/7] mm: better document PG_reserved David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 12:59   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05 14:35   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-05 15:05     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 17:32       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-05 18:13         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2018-12-06 10:46           ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-05 12:56 ` [PATCH RFC 0/7] mm: PG_reserved cleanups and documentation Michal Hocko
2018-12-05 13:04   ` David Hildenbrand

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