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From: James Bottomley <jejb@linux.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
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	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 5/6] mm: secretmem: use PMD-size pages to amortize direct map fragmentation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:03:11 -0700
Message-ID: <491f8ff884de17d23e904d69454ec7a0862272f7.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200929141216.GO2628@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 16:12 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 04:05:29PM +0300, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 09:41:25AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 04:29:03PM +0300, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > > > From: Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Removing a PAGE_SIZE page from the direct map every time such
> > > > page is allocated for a secret memory mapping will cause severe
> > > > fragmentation of the direct map. This fragmentation can be
> > > > reduced by using PMD-size pages as a pool for small pages for
> > > > secret memory mappings.
> > > > 
> > > > Add a gen_pool per secretmem inode and lazily populate this
> > > > pool with PMD-size pages.
> > > 
> > > What's the actual efficacy of this? Since the pmd is per inode,
> > > all I need is a lot of inodes and we're in business to destroy
> > > the directmap, no?
> > > 
> > > Afaict there's no privs needed to use this, all a process needs
> > > is to stay below the mlock limit, so a 'fork-bomb' that maps a
> > > single secret page will utterly destroy the direct map.
> > 
> > This indeed will cause 1G pages in the direct map to be split into
> > 2M chunks, but I disagree with 'destroy' term here. Citing the
> > cover letter of an earlier version of this series:
> 
> It will drop them down to 4k pages. Given enough inodes, and
> allocating only a single sekrit page per pmd, we'll shatter the
> directmap into 4k.

Since the only requirement is 2M, even if this happens, which I'm not
sure it does, it's fixable to only fragment down to 2M, right?

We could also enforce a global limit in the secretmem syscall, so the
fork bomb problem can be made to go away.

Lastly, we could go back to boot time allocation as the previous patch
did, so this isn't even a fundamental problem with the patch set.

That said, I think investigation of the importance of direct map tiling
is useful, since it does fragment for other reasons, and fixing or
proving that the fragmentation doesn't matter is also something we'll
keep on investigating.  But it would be useful in the meantime to
explore things which may be more fundamental issues with the approach.

Regards,

James





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Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-24 13:28 [PATCH v6 0/6] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas Mike Rapoport
2020-09-24 13:28 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] mm: add definition of PMD_PAGE_ORDER Mike Rapoport
2020-09-24 13:29 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] mmap: make mlock_future_check() global Mike Rapoport
2020-09-24 13:29 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas Mike Rapoport
2020-09-29  4:58   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-09-29 13:06     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-29 20:06       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-09-30 10:35         ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-30 20:11           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-11  9:42             ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-24 13:29 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] arch, mm: wire up memfd_secret system call were relevant Mike Rapoport
2020-09-24 13:29 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] mm: secretmem: use PMD-size pages to amortize direct map fragmentation Mike Rapoport
2020-09-25  7:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-25  9:00     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-25  9:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-25 10:31         ` Mark Rutland
2020-09-25 14:57           ` Tycho Andersen
2020-09-29 14:04           ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-29 13:07         ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-29 13:06       ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-29 13:05     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-29 14:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-29 14:31         ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-29 14:58         ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-29 15:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-30 10:27             ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-30 14:39               ` James Bottomley
2020-09-30 14:45                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-30 15:17                   ` James Bottomley
2020-09-30 15:25                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-30 15:09               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-01  8:14                 ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-29 15:03         ` James Bottomley [this message]
2020-09-30 10:20         ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-30 10:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-24 13:29 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] secretmem: test: add basic selftest for memfd_secret(2) Mike Rapoport
2020-09-24 13:35 ` [PATCH] man2: new page describing memfd_secret() system call Mike Rapoport
2020-09-24 14:55   ` Alejandro Colomar
2020-10-03  9:32     ` Alejandro Colomar
2020-10-05  7:32       ` Mike Rapoport
2020-11-16 21:01         ` [PATCH v2] memfd_secret.2: New " Alejandro Colomar
2020-11-17  6:26           ` Mike Rapoport
2020-09-25  2:34 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas Andrew Morton
2020-09-25  6:42   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-11-01 11:09 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2020-11-02 15:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-11-03 13:52     ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2020-11-03 16:30       ` Mike Rapoport
2020-11-04 11:39         ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2020-11-04 17:02           ` Mike Rapoport
2020-11-09 10:41             ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2020-11-02  9:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-11-02  9:31   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-11-02 17:43   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-11-02 17:51     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-11-03  9:52       ` Mike Rapoport
2020-11-03 10:11         ` David Hildenbrand

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