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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-riscv" Errors-To: linux-riscv-bounces+infradead-linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 4:06 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:26 PM Palmer Dabbelt wrote: > > > Yep, and the hope here is that we can build something that allows everyone to implement their systems within the same framework. With any luck we'll be able to build a platform specification that allows both of these systems to exist -- essentially "boot Linux into M-mode" or "boot Linux into S-mode". It'll be work to make sure the spec can work for everyone, but that's part of the way to get a good spec. > > ... and how is that to be achieved if the RISC-V Foundation > pathologically insists on secretive closed-doors discussions when it > comes to RISC-V specifications? > > it's time for the RISC-V Foundation to recognise that the ITU-style > closed doors practice is damaging the ecosystem by preventing people > from contributing. There needs to be some slight barrier to entry, some commitment needed, otherwise the process has a real danger of simply being flooded by concern-trolls and time-wasters and never completing. Designing things by discussion and consensus rather than simply having a completed spec handed down from some expert is already time-consuming enough. _______________________________________________ linux-riscv mailing list linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-riscv