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X-BeenThere: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "mark.rutland@arm.com" , Bruce Hoult , Damien Le Moal , Olof Johansson , "alankao@andestech.com" , "abner.chang@hpe.com" , Atish Patra , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Paul Walmsley , Alexander Graf , "zong@andestech.com" , ron minnich , "sw-dev@groups.riscv.org" , Anup Patel , "mick@ics.forth.gr" , Alistair Francis , "linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org" , Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Waterman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-riscv" Errors-To: linux-riscv-bounces+infradead-linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:26 PM Palmer Dabbelt wrote: > Yep, and the hope here is that we can build something that allows everyone to implement their systems within the same framework. With any luck we'll be able to build a platform specification that allows both of these systems to exist -- essentially "boot Linux into M-mode" or "boot Linux into S-mode". It'll be work to make sure the spec can work for everyone, but that's part of the way to get a good spec. ... and how is that to be achieved if the RISC-V Foundation pathologically insists on secretive closed-doors discussions when it comes to RISC-V specifications? it's time for the RISC-V Foundation to recognise that the ITU-style closed doors practice is damaging the ecosystem by preventing people from contributing. l. _______________________________________________ linux-riscv mailing list linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-riscv