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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-rt-users <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RT] locking: Make spinlock_t and rwlock_t a RCU section on RT
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 19:01:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191122180140.bspcwv6xtrwqhmu7@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191119092149.06fd8f87@gandalf.local.home>

On 2019-11-19 09:21:49 [-0500], Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:46:40 +0100
> Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de> wrote:
> 
> > On !RT a locked spinlock_t and rwlock_t disables preemption which
> > implies a RCU read section. There is code that relies on that behaviour.
> > 
> > Add an explicit RCU read section on RT while a sleeping lock (a lock
> > which would disables preemption on !RT) acquired.
> 
> I know that there was some work to merge the RCU flavors of
> rcu_read_lock and rcu_read_lock_sched, I'm assuming this depends on
> that behavior. That is, a synchronize_rcu() will wait for all CPUs to
> schedule and all grace periods to finish, which means that those using
> rcu_read_lock() and those using all CPUs to schedule can be
> interchangeable. That is, on !RT, it's likely that rcu_read_lock()
> waiters will end up waiting for all CPUs to schedule, and on RT, this
> makes it where those waiting for all CPUs to schedule, will also wait
> for all rcu_read_lock()s grace periods to finish. If that's the case,
> then this change is fine. But it depends on that being the case, which
> it wasn't in older kernels, and we need to be careful about backporting
> this.

Let me give you an example how I got into this:

do_sigaction() acquires p->sighand->siglock and then iterates over list
via for_each_thread() which is a list_for_each_entry_rcu(). No RCU lock
is held, just the siglock.
On removal side, __unhash_process() removes a task from the list but
while doing so it holds the siglock and tasklist_lock. So it is
perfectly fine.
Later, we have:
|do_exit()
| -> exit_notify()
|   -> write_lock_irq(&tasklist_lock);
|   -> forget_original_parent()
|      -> find_child_reaper()
|        -> find_alive_thread()
|           -> for_each_thread()

find_alive_thread() does the for_each_thread() and checks PF_EXITING.
it might be enough for not operating on "removed" task_struct. It
dereferences task_struct->flags while looking for PF_EXITING. At this
point only tasklist_lock is acquired.
I have *no* idea if the whole synchronisation based on siglock/
PF_EXITING/ tasklist_lock is enough and RCU simply doesn't matter. It
seems so.

I am a little worried if this construct here (or somewhere else) assumes
that holding one of those locks, which disable preemption, is the same
as rcu_read_lock() (or rcu_read_lock_sched()).

> -- Steve

Sebastian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-11-22 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-19  8:46 [PATCH RT] locking: Make spinlock_t and rwlock_t a RCU section on RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-11-19 14:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-11-19 14:46   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-11-22 18:01   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2019-11-25 17:25     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-11-29 15:45       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-11-29 22:51         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-11-19 14:47 ` Paul E. McKenney

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