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From: peterz@infradead.org
To: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, luca.abeni@santannapisa.it,
	tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it, alessio.balsini@gmail.com,
	bristot@redhat.com, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, mtosatti@redhat.com,
	williams@redhat.com, valentin.schneider@arm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 6/6] sched/fair: Implement starvation monitor
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 12:46:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200807104618.GH2674@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200807095604.GO42956@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 11:56:04AM +0200, Juri Lelli wrote:
> Starting deadline server for lower priority classes right away when
> first task is enqueued might break guarantees, as tasks belonging to
> intermediate priority classes could be uselessly preempted. E.g., a well
> behaving (non hog) FIFO task can be preempted by NORMAL tasks even if
> there are still CPU cycles available for NORMAL tasks to run, as they'll
> be running inside the fair deadline server for some period of time.
> 
> To prevent this issue, implement a starvation monitor mechanism that
> starts the deadline server only if a (fair in this case) task hasn't
> been scheduled for some interval of time after it has been enqueued.
> Use pick/put functions to manage starvation monitor status.

One thing I considerd was scheduling this as a least-laxity entity --
such that it runs late, not early -- and start the server when
rq->nr_running != rq->cfs.h_nr_running, IOW when there's !fair tasks
around.

Not saying we should do it like that, but that's perhaps more
deterministic than this.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-07 10:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-07  9:50 [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] SCHED_DEADLINE server infrastructure Juri Lelli
2020-08-07  9:50 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/6] sched: Unify runtime accounting across classes Juri Lelli
2020-08-07  9:50 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/6] sched/deadline: Collect sched_dl_entity initialization Juri Lelli
2020-08-07  9:50 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/6] sched/deadline: Move bandwidth accounting into {en,de}queue_dl_entity Juri Lelli
2020-08-07  9:50 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/6] sched/deadline: Introduce deadline servers Juri Lelli
2020-10-06  7:56   ` luca abeni
2020-10-06  9:35     ` Juri Lelli
2020-10-06  9:51       ` luca abeni
2020-08-07  9:50 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/6] sched/fair: Add trivial fair server Juri Lelli
2020-08-07  9:56 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/6] sched/fair: Implement starvation monitor Juri Lelli
2020-08-07 10:46   ` peterz [this message]
2020-08-07 11:30     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2020-08-07 12:50       ` Juri Lelli
2020-08-07 13:49     ` luca abeni
2020-08-07 14:11       ` peterz
2020-08-07 16:48         ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2020-08-07 13:28   ` luca abeni
2020-08-07 13:43     ` Juri Lelli
2020-08-07 13:55       ` luca abeni
2020-08-07 14:11         ` Juri Lelli
2020-08-07 14:13       ` peterz
2020-08-07 15:06         ` Juri Lelli
2020-08-07 13:16 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] SCHED_DEADLINE server infrastructure luca abeni
2020-08-07 13:30   ` Juri Lelli
2020-08-07 13:41     ` luca abeni
2020-08-07 14:04       ` Juri Lelli
2020-08-07 14:14   ` peterz
2020-09-08 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
2020-09-09  5:51   ` Juri Lelli

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