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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Cc: Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Wagner <dwagner@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rt-tests: Drop use_current_cpuset() check
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:21:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210317152100.GL395976@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7882bec5-be12-267f-94c1-3b7c21193686@redhat.com>

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:08:31AM -0400, John Kacur wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2021, Peter Xu wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Daniel,
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 08:49:03AM +0100, Daniel Wagner wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 04:07:05PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> > > > I think what I'm missing is why we had such a restriction.  Quotting from the
> > > > commit ID:
> > > 
> > > IIRC, the current behavior allows the process to be placed into a cgroup
> > > with a subset of CPUs and you just can do 'cyclictest -a -t'. Process
> > > should not ignore external configuration. That's my whole point here.
> > 
> > In that case again I think a sane solution is not to check the cpu list in
> > every single tool we use, because even if we do that for all tools in rt-teets
> > repo, we can't guarantee to have this check for the rest tools to not ignore
> > this restriction.
> > 
> > A simple example is: what if the user specified "taskset -c $CPU cyclictest -a
> > $CPU -t 1 ..." where $CPU is not in the allowed list of current bash?  As long
> > as the taskset would work the so-called "environment" will be changed before
> > even loading cyclictest.
> > 
> > If you see that's the point I said we should fail at the same check point of
> > sched_setaffinity() rather than checking it explicitly in the tool, because
> > if we want a real-world restriction that's the only place I think it's possible..
> > 
> > But I'm not a cgroup/container guy, please correct me if I understood.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Peter Xu
> > 
> > 
> 
> When cyclictest and friends were originally written, we had this view 
> point that we "owned" the whole machine, and didn't have any restrictions 
> on where to schedule. As machines grew in size, and we added numa 
> awareness, and cgroups became more prominent we added this code that tried 
> to schedule according to the ill-defined environment that we found 
> ourselves in.
> 
> As Peter points out we may have restricted ourselves more than is 
> necessary, and can rely a bit more on the operating system to restrict us. 
> On the otherhand using taskset is an easy workaround if the current code 
> is to restrictive.
> 
> Because we can use taskset and things are working well otherwise I don't 
> see this as super urgent, but I am willing to revisit this code and make 
> it less restrictive if that makes sense.
> 
> I also am not a cgroup / container person, and would like to play around 
> with this a bit more before we make some decisions on which direction to 
> go in.
> 
> Does that make sense to everyone?

Sure thing on my side.  No bug reported so far this time, so I'll wait at least
until then :) I just don't know why it's not hit just like oslat since I don't
see a difference.  When I fixed the oslat thing, I thought cyclictest didn't
have such issue for some reason so I didn't consider to touch it at all.  But
when yesterday I rerun some tests I see this issue on rhel8, hence this patch.

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu


  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-17 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-15 19:37 [PATCH] rt-tests: Drop use_current_cpuset() check Peter Xu
2021-03-16  8:18 ` Daniel Wagner
2021-03-16 20:07   ` Peter Xu
2021-03-17  7:49     ` Daniel Wagner
2021-03-17 12:51       ` Peter Xu
2021-03-17 15:08         ` John Kacur
2021-03-17 15:21           ` Peter Xu [this message]
2021-03-17 15:47             ` John Kacur
2021-03-17 17:20               ` Daniel Wagner
2021-03-17 16:40           ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2021-03-17 17:15             ` Daniel Wagner

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