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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux-RT-Users <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/11] mm/vmstat: Convert NUMA statistics to basic NUMA counters
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:56:45 +0200
Message-ID: <7a7ec563-0519-a850-563a-9680a7bd00d3@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210407202423.16022-5-mgorman@techsingularity.net>

On 4/7/21 10:24 PM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> NUMA statistics are maintained on the zone level for hits, misses, foreign
> etc but nothing relies on them being perfectly accurate for functional
> correctness. The counters are used by userspace to get a general overview
> of a workloads NUMA behaviour but the page allocator incurs a high cost to
> maintain perfect accuracy similar to what is required for a vmstat like
> NR_FREE_PAGES. There even is a sysctl vm.numa_stat to allow userspace to
> turn off the collection of NUMA statistics like NUMA_HIT.
> 
> This patch converts NUMA_HIT and friends to be NUMA events with similar
> accuracy to VM events. There is a possibility that slight errors will be
> introduced but the overall trend as seen by userspace will be similar.
> Note that while these counters could be maintained at the node level that
> it would have a user-visible impact.

I guess this kind of inaccuracy is fine. I just don't like much
fold_vm_zone_numa_events() which seems to calculate sums of percpu counters and
then assign the result to zone counters for immediate consumption, which differs
from other kinds of folds in vmstat that reset the percpu counters to 0 as they
are treated as diffs to the global counters.

So it seems that this intermediate assignment to zone counters (using
atomic_long_set() even) is unnecessary and this could mimic sum_vm_events() that
just does the summation on a local array?

And probably a bit more serious is that vm_events have vm_events_fold_cpu() to
deal with a cpu going away, but after your patch the stats counted on a cpu just
disapepar from the sums as it goes offline as there's no such thing for the numa
counters.

Thanks,
Vlastimil

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Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-07 20:24 [PATCH 0/11 v2] Use local_lock for pcp protection and reduce stat overhead Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 01/11] mm/page_alloc: Split per cpu page lists and zone stats Mel Gorman
2021-04-12 17:43   ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-04-13 13:27     ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 02/11] mm/page_alloc: Convert per-cpu list protection to local_lock Mel Gorman
2021-04-08 10:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-08 17:42     ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-09  6:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09  7:59         ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-09  8:24           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09 13:32             ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-09 18:55               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-12 11:56                 ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-12 21:47                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-13 16:52                     ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 03/11] mm/memory_hotplug: Make unpopulated zones PCP structures unreachable during hot remove Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 04/11] mm/vmstat: Convert NUMA statistics to basic NUMA counters Mel Gorman
2021-04-14 12:56   ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2021-04-14 15:18     ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-14 15:56       ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-04-15 10:06         ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 05/11] mm/vmstat: Inline NUMA event counter updates Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 06/11] mm/page_alloc: Batch the accounting updates in the bulk allocator Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 07/11] mm/page_alloc: Reduce duration that IRQs are disabled for VM counters Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 08/11] mm/page_alloc: Remove duplicate checks if migratetype should be isolated Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 09/11] mm/page_alloc: Explicitly acquire the zone lock in __free_pages_ok Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 10/11] mm/page_alloc: Avoid conflating IRQs disabled with zone->lock Mel Gorman
2021-04-07 20:24 ` [PATCH 11/11] mm/page_alloc: Update PGFREE outside the zone lock in __free_pages_ok Mel Gorman
2021-04-08 10:56 ` [PATCH 0/11 v2] Use local_lock for pcp protection and reduce stat overhead Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-08 17:48   ` Mel Gorman

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