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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, SelvaKumar S <selvakuma.s1@samsung.com>
Cc: linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, kbusch@kernel.org,
	axboe@kernel.dk, damien.lemoal@wdc.com, sagi@grimberg.me,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, snitzer@redhat.com, selvajove@gmail.com,
	nj.shetty@samsung.com, joshi.k@samsung.com,
	javier.gonz@samsung.com,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] add simple copy support
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 15:56:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01fe46ac-16a5-d4db-f23d-07a03d3935f3@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201207141123.GC31159@lst.de>

On 12/7/20 3:11 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> So, I'm really worried about:
> 
>   a) a good use case.  GC in f2fs or btrfs seem like good use cases, as
>      does accelating dm-kcopyd.  I agree with Damien that lifting dm-kcopyd
>      to common code would also be really nice.  I'm not 100% sure it should
>      be a requirement, but it sure would be nice to have
>      I don't think just adding an ioctl is enough of a use case for complex
>      kernel infrastructure.
>   b) We had a bunch of different attempts at SCSI XCOPY support form IIRC
>      Martin, Bart and Mikulas.  I think we need to pull them into this
>      discussion, and make sure whatever we do covers the SCSI needs.
> 
And we shouldn't forget that the main issue which killed all previous 
implementations was a missing QoS guarantee.
It's nice to have simply copy, but if the implementation is _slower_ 
than doing it by hand from the OS there is very little point in even 
attempting to do so.
I can't see any provisions for that in the TPAR, leading me to the 
assumption that NVMe simple copy will suffer from the same issue.

So if we can't address this I guess this attempt will fail, too.

Cheers,

Hannes
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-07 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20201204094659.12732-1-selvakuma.s1@samsung.com>
2020-12-07 14:11   ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] add simple copy support Christoph Hellwig
2020-12-07 14:56     ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2020-12-07 19:24       ` Javier González
2020-12-08  8:40         ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-12-08 12:22           ` Javier González
2020-12-08 12:37             ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-12-08 13:13               ` Javier González
2020-12-08 13:24                 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-12-09  9:17                   ` Javier González
2020-12-15 23:45               ` Pavel Machek
2020-12-07 22:12       ` Douglas Gilbert
2020-12-08  6:44         ` Hannes Reinecke
2020-12-08 12:21           ` Javier González
2020-12-09  3:02       ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-12-07 19:14     ` Javier González

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