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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: serge@hallyn.com,
	syzbot <syzbot+a9ac39bf55329e206219@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	jmorris@namei.org, keescook@chromium.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KASAN: use-after-free Read in task_is_descendant
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:17:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181025121709.GD3725@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b0ac67e6-4279-91b3-0178-3176876abe70@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>

On 10/25, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
>
> On 2018/10/25 20:13, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> >
> > So again, suppose that "child" is already dead. Its task_struct can't be freed,
> > but child->real_parent can point to the already freed memory.
>
> Yes.
>
> But if child->real_parent is pointing to the already freed memory,
> why does pid_alive(child) == true help?

Hmm. Because pid_alive(child) == true && child->real_parent is freed must not
be possible? As long as we check pid_alive() under rcu_read_lock().

> >> @@ -283,6 +283,11 @@ static int task_is_descendant(struct task_struct *parent,
> >>  		return 0;
> >>
> >>  	rcu_read_lock();
> >> +	if (!pid_alive(parent) || !pid_alive(walker)) {
> >> +		rcu_read_unlock();
> >> +		printk("parent or walker is dead.\n");
> >
> > This is what we need to do, except I think we should change yama_ptrace_access_check().
> > And iiuc parent == current, pid_alive(parent) looks unnecessary. Although we need to
> > check ptracer_exception_found(), may be it needs some changes too.
>
> There are two task_is_descendant() callers, and one of them is not passing current.

As I said below, please ignore ptracer_exception_found(), another caller for now,
perhaps it needs some changes too. I even have a vague feeling that I have already
blamed this function some time ago...

> > And yes, task_is_descendant() can hit the dead child, if nothing else it can
> > be killed. This can explain the kasan report.
>
> The kasan is reporting that child->real_parent (or maybe child->real_parent->real_parent
> or child->real_parent->real_parent->real_parent ...) was pointing to already freed memory,
> isn't it?

Yes. and you know, I am all confused. I no longer can understand you :/

> How can we check that that pointer is pointing to already freed memory? As soon as
>
>   walker = rcu_dereference(walker->real_parent);
>
> is executed, task_alive(walker) will try to read from already freed memory...

Of course we should not do it this way. The patch I sent doesn't...

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-25 12:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-21  7:10 KASAN: use-after-free Read in task_is_descendant syzbot
2018-10-21  7:12 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-22  9:54   ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-22 10:06     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-22 13:46       ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-25  2:15         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-25 11:13           ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-25 11:36             ` Kees Cook
2018-10-25 12:05               ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-25 11:47             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-25 12:17               ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2018-10-25 13:01                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-26 16:09                   ` Kees Cook
2018-10-29 12:23                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-29 15:05                       ` yama: unsafe usage of ptrace_relation->tracer Oleg Nesterov
2019-01-10 11:05                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-01-10 18:47                           ` Kees Cook
2019-01-16 17:40                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-25 13:14                 ` KASAN: use-after-free Read in task_is_descendant Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-25 15:55                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-25 16:25                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-26 12:23                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-26 13:04                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-26 13:51                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-26 14:39                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-26 15:04                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-26 15:22                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-25  8:19     ` Kees Cook
2018-10-25 11:52       ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-10  3:25 ` syzbot
2018-11-10 11:46 ` syzbot

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