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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Preeti Nagar <pnagar@codeaurora.org>, maz@kernel.org, ardb@kernel.org
Cc: arnd@arndb.de, jmorris@namei.org, serge@hallyn.com,
	paul@paul-moore.com, stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com,
	eparis@parisplace.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	casey@schaufler-ca.com, ndesaulniers@google.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, ojeda@kernel.org, psodagud@codeaurora.org,
	nmardana@codeaurora.org, rkavati@codeaurora.org,
	vsekhar@codeaurora.org, mreichar@codeaurora.org,
	johan@kernel.org, joe@perches.com, jeyu@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RTIC: selinux: ARM64: Move selinux_state to a separate page
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:42:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210217094205.GA3570@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1613470672-3069-1-git-send-email-pnagar@codeaurora.org>

[Please include arm64 and kvm folks for threads involving the stage-2 MMU]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 03:47:52PM +0530, Preeti Nagar wrote:
> The changes introduce a new security feature, RunTime Integrity Check
> (RTIC), designed to protect Linux Kernel at runtime. The motivation
> behind these changes is:
> 1. The system protection offered by Security Enhancements(SE) for
> Android relies on the assumption of kernel integrity. If the kernel
> itself is compromised (by a perhaps as yet unknown future vulnerability),
> SE for Android security mechanisms could potentially be disabled and
> rendered ineffective.
> 2. Qualcomm Snapdragon devices use Secure Boot, which adds cryptographic
> checks to each stage of the boot-up process, to assert the authenticity
> of all secure software images that the device executes.  However, due to
> various vulnerabilities in SW modules, the integrity of the system can be
> compromised at any time after device boot-up, leading to un-authorized
> SW executing.
> 
> The feature's idea is to move some sensitive kernel structures to a
> separate page and monitor further any unauthorized changes to these,
> from higher Exception Levels using stage 2 MMU. Moving these to a
> different page will help avoid getting page faults from un-related data.
> The mechanism we have been working on removes the write permissions for
> HLOS in the stage 2 page tables for the regions to be monitored, such
> that any modification attempts to these will lead to faults being
> generated and handled by handlers. If the protected assets are moved to
> a separate page, faults will be generated corresponding to change attempts
> to these assets only. If not moved to a separate page, write attempts to
> un-related data present on the monitored pages will also be generated.
> 
> Using this feature, some sensitive variables of the kernel which are
> initialized after init or are updated rarely can also be protected from
> simple overwrites and attacks trying to modify these.

Although I really like the idea of using stage-2 to protect the kernel, I
think the approach you outline here is deeply flawed. Identifying "sensitive
variables" of the kernel to protect is subjective and doesn't scale.
Furthermore, the triaging of what constitues a valid access is notably
absent from your description and is assumedly implemented in an opaque blob
at EL2.

I think a better approach would be along the lines of:

  1. Introduce the protection at stage-1 (like we already have for mapping
     e.g. the kernel text R/O)

  2. Implement the handlers in the kernel, so the heuristics are clear.

  3. Extend this to involve KVM, so that the host can manage its own
     stage-2 to firm-up the stage-1 protections.

I also think we should avoid tying this to specific data structures.
Rather, we should introduce a mechanism to make arbitrary data read-only.

I've CC'd Ard and Marc, as I think they've both been thinking about this
sort of thing recently as well.

Will

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-17  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-16 10:17 [PATCH] RTIC: selinux: ARM64: Move selinux_state to a separate page Preeti Nagar
2021-02-16 18:09 ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-02-22  6:54   ` pnagar
2021-02-16 20:32 ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-02-22  5:06   ` pnagar
2021-02-17  9:42 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2021-02-17  9:53   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-02-22  7:14     ` pnagar
2021-02-17 10:15   ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-22  4:58     ` pnagar
2021-02-22 10:56       ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-22  9:50   ` peter enderborg
2021-03-05  2:21 ` Paul Moore

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