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From: "Madhavan T. Venkataraman" <madvenka@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/4] [RFC] Implement Trampoline File Descriptor
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:52:01 -0500
Message-ID: <59246260-e535-a9f1-d89e-4e953288b977@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUta5-0TLJ9-jfdehpTAp2Efmukk2npYadFzz9ozOrG2w@mail.gmail.com>



On 7/28/20 12:16 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:32 AM Madhavan T. Venkataraman
> <madvenka@linux.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> Thanks. See inline..
>>
>> On 7/28/20 10:13 AM, David Laight wrote:
>>> From:  madvenka@linux.microsoft.com
>>>> Sent: 28 July 2020 14:11
>>> ...
>>>> The kernel creates the trampoline mapping without any permissions. When
>>>> the trampoline is executed by user code, a page fault happens and the
>>>> kernel gets control. The kernel recognizes that this is a trampoline
>>>> invocation. It sets up the user registers based on the specified
>>>> register context, and/or pushes values on the user stack based on the
>>>> specified stack context, and sets the user PC to the requested target
>>>> PC. When the kernel returns, execution continues at the target PC.
>>>> So, the kernel does the work of the trampoline on behalf of the
>>>> application.
>>> Isn't the performance of this going to be horrid?
>> It takes about the same amount of time as getpid(). So, it is
>> one quick trip into the kernel. I expect that applications will
>> typically not care about this extra overhead as long as
>> they are able to run.
> What did you test this on?  A page fault on any modern x86_64 system
> is much, much, much, much slower than a syscall.

I sent a response to this. But the mail was returned to me.
I am resending.

I tested it in on a KVM guest running Ubuntu. So, when you say that a
page fault is much slower, do you mean a regular page fault that is handled
through the VM layer? Here is the relevant code in do_user_addr_fault():

        if (unlikely(access_error(hw_error_code, vma))) {
                /*                 
                 * If it is a user execute fault, it could be a trampoline
                 * invocation.
                 */
                if ((hw_error_code & tflags) == tflags &&
                     trampfd_fault(vma, regs)) {
                         up_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
                         return;
                 }
                 bad_area_access_error(regs, hw_error_code, address, vma);
                 return;
         }
         ...
         fault = handle_mm_fault(vma, address, flags);

trampfd faults are instruction faults that go through a different code path than
the one that calls handle_mm_fault(). Perhaps, it is the handle_mm_fault() that
is time consuming. Could you clarify?

Thanks.

Madhavan

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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <aefc85852ea518982e74b233e11e16d2e707bc32>
2020-07-28 13:10 ` madvenka
2020-07-28 13:10   ` [PATCH v1 1/4] [RFC] fs/trampfd: Implement the trampoline file descriptor API madvenka
2020-07-28 14:50     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-28 14:58       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-28 16:06         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-28 13:10   ` [PATCH v1 2/4] [RFC] x86/trampfd: Provide support for the trampoline file descriptor madvenka
2020-07-30  9:06     ` Greg KH
2020-07-30 14:25       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-28 13:10   ` [PATCH v1 3/4] [RFC] arm64/trampfd: " madvenka
2020-07-28 13:10   ` [PATCH v1 4/4] [RFC] arm/trampfd: " madvenka
2020-07-28 15:13   ` [PATCH v1 0/4] [RFC] Implement Trampoline File Descriptor David Laight
2020-07-28 16:32     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-28 17:16       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-28 18:52         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman [this message]
2020-07-29  8:36           ` David Laight
2020-07-29 17:55             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
     [not found]         ` <81d744c0-923e-35ad-6063-8b186f6a153c@linux.microsoft.com>
2020-07-29  5:16           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-28 16:05   ` Casey Schaufler
2020-07-28 16:49     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-28 17:05     ` James Morris
2020-07-28 17:08       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-28 17:31   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-28 19:01     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-29 13:29     ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-30 13:09     ` David Laight
2020-08-02 11:56       ` Pavel Machek
2020-08-03  8:08         ` David Laight
2020-08-03 15:57           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-30 14:42     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
     [not found]     ` <6540b4b7-3f70-adbf-c922-43886599713a@linux.microsoft.com>
2020-07-30 20:54       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-31 17:13         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-31 18:31           ` Mark Rutland
2020-08-03  8:27             ` David Laight
2020-08-03 16:03               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-03 16:57                 ` David Laight
2020-08-03 17:00                   ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-03 17:58             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-04 13:55               ` Mark Rutland
2020-08-04 14:33                 ` David Laight
2020-08-04 14:44                   ` David Laight
2020-08-04 14:48                   ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-04 15:46                 ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-02 13:57           ` Florian Weimer
2020-08-02 18:54     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-02 20:00       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-02 22:58         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-03 18:36         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-10 17:34         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-11 21:12           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-03  8:23       ` David Laight
2020-08-03 15:59         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-07-31 18:09   ` Mark Rutland
2020-07-31 20:08     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-03 16:57     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-04 14:30       ` Mark Rutland
2020-08-06 17:26         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-08 22:17           ` Pavel Machek
2020-08-11 12:41             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-11 13:08               ` Pavel Machek
2020-08-11 15:54                 ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-12 10:06           ` Mark Rutland
2020-08-12 18:47             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-08-19 18:53             ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-09-01 15:42               ` Mark Rutland

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