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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
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	Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/8] exec: Teach prepare_exec_creds how exec treats uids & gids
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:57:07 -0500
Message-ID: <87k117pxbw.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjeoeh-F-PJmpYRpR_HoiB4r4qYgd3U6igtrUD6q5d_cg@mail.gmail.com> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Tue, 19 May 2020 11:28:14 -0700")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 11:03 AM Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>>
>> One question, though: why add this, since the repeat calling of the caps
>> LSM hook will do this?
>
> I assume it's for the "preserve_creds" case where we don't even end up
> setting creds at all.
>
> Yeah, at some point we'll hit a bprm handler that doesn't set
> 'preserve_creds', and it all does get set in the end, but that's not
> statically all that obvious.
>
> I think it makes sense to initialize as much as possible from the
> generic code, and rely as little as possible on what the binfmt
> handlers end up actually doing.

Where this initially came from was I was looking at how to clean up the
case of no_new_privs/ptrace of a suid executable when we don't have
enough permissions.   Just being able to create creds that kept
everything as they were looked very useful and there was just this one
little bit missing.

I included the change to prepare_exec_creds in this patchset to
emphasize that neither security_bprm_creds_for_exec nor
security_bprm_repopulate_creds need to do anything if there is nothing
special going on.

At the very least that helps me think through what the LSMs are required
to do, and what those hooks are for.  AKA privilege changing execs.

So I was thinking rely on the LSMs as little as possible rather than
rely on the binfmt handlers as little as possible.  But it is the same
idea.

And yes it makes everything easier to analyze if everything starts off
in a known good state.

Eric

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     [not found] <87h7wujhmz.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
     [not found] ` <87sgga6ze4.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
2020-05-09 19:40   ` [PATCH 0/5] exec: Control flow simplifications Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 19:40     ` [PATCH 1/5] exec: Call cap_bprm_set_creds directly from prepare_binprm Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 20:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-09 19:41     ` [PATCH 2/5] exec: Directly call security_bprm_set_creds from __do_execve_file Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 20:07       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-09 20:12         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 20:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-11  3:15       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-11 16:52         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-11 21:18           ` Kees Cook
2020-05-09 19:41     ` [PATCH 3/5] exec: Remove recursion from search_binary_handler Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 20:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-10  4:22       ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-10 19:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-11 14:33           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-11 19:10             ` Rob Landley
2020-05-13 21:59               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-14 18:46                 ` Rob Landley
2020-05-11 21:55             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 18:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-12 19:25                 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 20:31                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-12 23:08                     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 23:47                       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 23:51                         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-14 14:56                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-14 16:56                             ` Casey Schaufler
2020-05-14 17:02                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-13  0:20                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13  2:39                   ` Rob Landley
2020-05-13 19:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-14 16:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 19:42     ` [PATCH 4/5] exec: Allow load_misc_binary to call prepare_binfmt unconditionally Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-11 22:09       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-09 19:42     ` [PATCH 5/5] exec: Move the call of prepare_binprm into search_binary_handler Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-11 22:24       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19  0:29     ` [PATCH v2 0/8] exec: Control flow simplifications Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:29       ` [PATCH v2 1/8] exec: Teach prepare_exec_creds how exec treats uids & gids Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 18:03         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 18:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-19 18:57             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2020-05-19  0:30       ` [PATCH v2 2/8] exec: Factor security_bprm_creds_for_exec out of security_bprm_set_creds Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 15:34         ` Casey Schaufler
2020-05-19 18:10         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 21:28           ` James Morris
2020-05-19  0:31       ` [PATCH v2 3/8] exec: Convert security_bprm_set_creds into security_bprm_repopulate_creds Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 18:21         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 19:03           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 19:14             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-20 20:22               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-20 20:53                 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 21:52         ` James Morris
2020-05-20 12:40           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:31       ` [PATCH v2 4/8] exec: Allow load_misc_binary to call prepare_binfmt unconditionally Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 18:27         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 19:08           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 19:17             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19  0:32       ` [PATCH v2 5/8] exec: Move the call of prepare_binprm into search_binary_handler Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 18:27         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 21:30         ` James Morris
2020-05-19  0:33       ` [PATCH v2 6/8] exec/binfmt_script: Don't modify bprm->buf and then return -ENOEXEC Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 19:08         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 19:19           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:33       ` [PATCH v2 7/8] exec: Generic execfd support Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 19:46         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 19:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-19 20:20             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 21:59         ` Rob Landley
2020-05-20 16:05           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-21 22:50             ` Rob Landley
2020-05-22  3:28               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-22  4:51                 ` Rob Landley
2020-05-22 13:35                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:34       ` [PATCH v2 8/8] exec: Remove recursion from search_binary_handler Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 20:37         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19  1:25       ` [PATCH v2 0/8] exec: Control flow simplifications Linus Torvalds
2020-05-19 21:55       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-20 13:02         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-20 22:12       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-20 23:43         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-21 11:53           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:38       ` [PATCH 0/11] exec: cred calculation simplifications Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:41         ` [PATCH 01/11] exec: Reduce bprm->per_clear to a single bit Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 19:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-28 19:17             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:42         ` [PATCH 02/11] exec: Introduce active_per_clear the per file version of per_clear Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 19:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-28 15:42         ` [PATCH 03/11] exec: Compute file based creds only once Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:43         ` [PATCH 04/11] exec: Move uid/gid handling from creds_from_file into bprm_fill_uid Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:44         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:44         ` [PATCH 05/11] exec: In bprm_fill_uid use CAP_SETGID to see if a gid change is safe Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:48         ` [PATCH 06/11] exec: Don't set secureexec when the uid or gid changes are abandoned Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:48         ` [PATCH 07/11] exec: Set saved, fs, and effective ids together in bprm_fill_uid Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:49         ` [PATCH 08/11] exec: In bprm_fill_uid remove unnecessary no new privs check Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:49         ` [PATCH 09/11] exec: In bprm_fill_uid only set per_clear when honoring suid or sgid Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 19:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-28 19:21             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:50         ` [PATCH 10/11] exec: In bprm_fill_uid set secureexec at same time as per_clear Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:50         ` [PATCH 11/11] exec: Remove the label after_setid from bprm_fill_uid Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-29 16:45         ` [PATCH 0/2] exec: Remove the computation of bprm->cred Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-29 16:46           ` [PATCH 1/2] exec: Add a per bprm->file version of per_clear Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-29 21:06             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-30  3:23               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-30  5:14                 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-29 16:47           ` [PATCH 2/2] exec: Compute file based creds only once Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-29 21:24             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-30  3:28               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-30  5:18                 ` Kees Cook

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