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From: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Cc: Konstantin Meskhidze <konstantin.meskhidze@huawei.com>,
	mic@digikod.net, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	yusongping@huawei.com, artem.kuzin@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] Landlock network PoC implementation
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 18:01:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHC9VhTcbE0MYeNGwBYmWrk3NY4FQkDk33gzJjQv=wt6n6dJdw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <802be0d0-cb8c-7fda-dd4e-2eb83d228ead@schaufler-ca.com>

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 11:57 AM Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
> As I think you've realized, *sockets are not objects*. There
> isn't a way to justify them as objects without introducing
> ethereal or magical subjects that don't exist. Sockets are
> part of a process. OK, it's not that simple, and it would be
> foolish to deny that a socket may have security relevant
> properties. But they aren't objects.
>
> I strongly recommend that you follow Smack's example and
> use the sending task and receiving task attributes to make
> the decision. You may find that storing that information
> in the socket security blob is convenient.
>
> BTW - not everyone agrees with me on this topic. I'll leave
> the misguided to make their own arguments. ;)

I'm running low on my lets-argue-on-the-internet motivation today, but
I feel like I'm being goaded into some sort of comment so I will
simply offer SELinux as a rebuttal to Casey's comments.  I think that
either approach can be acceptable, it depends on how your security
model works and your comfort level with the various tradeoffs
associated with each approach.  I personally prefer the approach
SELinux has taken (minus some of the compat cruft we are saddled with,
not to mention that restrictions handed to use from netdev), but I'll
admit a certain level of bias in this.

--
paul moore
www.paul-moore.com

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-10 23:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-10  7:21 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Landlock network PoC implementation Konstantin Meskhidze
2021-12-10 16:57 ` Casey Schaufler
2021-12-10 23:01   ` Paul Moore [this message]
2021-12-30  6:53     ` Konstantin Meskhidze
2021-12-13  8:29 ` Mickaël Salaün
     [not found]   ` <12467d8418f04fbf9fd4a456a2a999f1@huawei.com>
2021-12-14 11:51     ` Mickaël Salaün
2021-12-17  9:39       ` Mickaël Salaün
2021-12-17 21:29         ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-12-18 10:59           ` Mickaël Salaün
2021-12-18  8:26         ` Konstantin Meskhidze
2021-12-18 11:01           ` Mickaël Salaün
2021-12-20  3:52             ` Konstantin Meskhidze
2021-12-21 21:15               ` Mickaël Salaün

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