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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Ray Strode <rstrode@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>,
	raven@themaw.net, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
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	linux-block <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Ray, Debarshi" <debarshi.ray@gmail.com>,
	Robbie Harwood <rharwood@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Why add the general notification queue and its sources
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:14:47 -0700
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjaSzdzYNuQXUSZNkT75Wmfw2v96tekgnV8nOwBQ3h0ig@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wg6=qhw0-F=2_8y=VdT+fj8k7G1+t2XNSkRYimXhampVg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 10:07 AM Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> Hmm. Maybe somebody can come up with a good legacy signaling solution
> (and "just use another pipe for error notification and OOB data" for
> the first one may _work_, but that sounds pretty hacky and just not
> very convenient).

... actually, maybe the trivial solution for at least some prototyping
cases is to make any user mode writers never drop messages. Don't use
a non-blocking fd for the write direction.

That's obviously *not* acceptable for a kernel writer, and it's not
acceptable for an actual system daemon writer (that you could block by
just not reading the notifications), but it's certainly acceptable for
the "let's prototype having kernel support for /proc/mounts
notifications using a local thread that just polls for it every few
seconds".

So at least for _some_ prototypes you can probably just ignore the
overflow issue. It won't get you full test coverage, but it will get
you a working legacy solution and a "look, if we have kernel support
for this, we can do better".

                 Linus

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Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-04 22:15 [PATCH 00/11] Keyrings, Block and USB notifications [ver #8] David Howells
2019-09-04 22:15 ` [PATCH 01/11] uapi: General notification ring definitions " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:16 ` [PATCH 02/11] security: Add hooks to rule on setting a watch " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:16 ` [PATCH 03/11] security: Add a hook for the point of notification insertion " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:16 ` [PATCH 04/11] General notification queue with user mmap()'able ring buffer " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:16 ` [PATCH 05/11] keys: Add a notification facility " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:16 ` [PATCH 06/11] Add a general, global device notification watch list " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:16 ` [PATCH 07/11] block: Add block layer notifications " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:16 ` [PATCH 08/11] usb: Add USB subsystem " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:17 ` [PATCH 09/11] Add sample notification program " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:17 ` [PATCH 10/11] selinux: Implement the watch_key security hook " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:17 ` [PATCH 11/11] smack: Implement the watch_key and post_notification hooks " David Howells
2019-09-04 22:28 ` [PATCH 00/11] Keyrings, Block and USB notifications " Linus Torvalds
2019-09-05 17:01 ` Why add the general notification queue and its sources David Howells
2019-09-05 17:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-05 18:32     ` Ray Strode
2019-09-05 20:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-06 19:32         ` Ray Strode
2019-09-06 19:41           ` Ray Strode
2019-09-06 19:53           ` Robbie Harwood
2019-09-05 21:32       ` David Howells
2019-09-05 22:08         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-05 23:18         ` David Howells
2019-09-06  0:07           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-06 10:09           ` David Howells
2019-09-06 15:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-06 15:53               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-06 16:12                 ` Steven Whitehouse
2019-09-06 17:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-06 17:14                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2019-09-06 21:19                       ` David Howells
2019-09-06 17:14                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-05 18:37     ` Steven Whitehouse
2019-09-05 18:51       ` Ray Strode
2019-09-05 20:09         ` David Lehman
2019-09-05 18:33   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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