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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, kernel-team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next] bpf, capabilities: introduce CAP_BPF
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:36:39 -0700
Message-ID: <CALCETrUJt9YgV_q2EuqS0-u0HzLrTopkMkvO+NC05C13xUnDxw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190829172309.xd73ax4wgsjmv6zg@ast-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com>

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:23 AM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 08:43:23AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >
> > I can imagine splitting it into three capabilities:
> >
> > CAP_TRACE_KERNEL: learn which kernel functions are called when.  This
> > would allow perf profiling, for example, but not sampling of kernel
> > regs.
> >
> > CAP_TRACE_READ_KERNEL_DATA: allow the tracing, profiling, etc features
> > that can read the kernel's data.  So you get function arguments via
> > kprobe, kernel regs, and APIs that expose probe_kernel_read()
> >
> > CAP_TRACE_USER: trace unrelated user processes
> >
> > I'm not sure the code is written in a way that makes splitting
> > CAP_TRACE_KERNEL and CAP_TRACE_READ_KERNEL_DATA, and I'm not sure that
> > CAP_TRACE_KERNEL is all that useful except for plain perf record
> > without CAP_TRACE_READ_KERNEL_DATA.  What do you all think?  I suppose
> > it could also be:
> >
> > CAP_PROFILE_KERNEL: Use perf with events that aren't kprobes or
> > tracepoints.  Does not grant the ability to sample regs or the kernel
> > stack directly.
> >
> > CAP_TRACE_KERNEL: Use all of perf, ftrace, kprobe, etc.
> >
> > CAP_TRACE_USER: Use all of perf with scope limited to user mode and uprobes.
>
> imo that makes little sense from security pov, since
> such CAP_TRACE_KERNEL (ex kprobe) can trace "unrelated user process"
> just as well. Yet not letting it do cleanly via uprobe.
> Sort of like giving a spare key for back door of the house and
> saying no, you cannot have main door key.
>

Not all combinations of capabilities make total sense.  CAP_SETUID,
for example, generally lets you get all the other capabilities.
CAP_TRACE_KERNEL + CAP_TRACE_USER makes sense.  CAP_TRACE_USER by
itself makes sense.  CAP_TRACE_READ_KERNEL_DATA without
CAP_TRACE_KERNEL does not.  I don't think this is a really a problem.

  reply index

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20190827205213.456318-1-ast@kernel.org>
2019-08-27 23:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-27 23:21   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-27 23:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  0:44       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-28  1:12         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  2:22           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-28  0:38     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  3:30     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-08-28  4:47       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  0:34   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  0:55     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  2:00       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  4:49         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  6:20           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28 23:38             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29  0:58               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  4:43       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  6:12         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28 22:55           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29  0:45             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29  0:53               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29  4:07               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-09-28 23:37                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-30 18:31                   ` Kees Cook
2019-10-01  1:22                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-01 22:10                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-01 22:18                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-01 22:47                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-02 17:18                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-02 23:00                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-03 16:18                                 ` trace_printk issue. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-03 16:41                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-04 19:56                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-03  6:12                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-10-03 16:20                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  7:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-28 22:08     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 13:34       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-29 15:43         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29 17:23           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 17:36             ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2019-08-29 17:49             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-29 17:19         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 17:47           ` Steven Rostedt

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