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From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, <dalias@libc.org>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	<jethro@fortanix.com>, <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	<npmccallum@redhat.com>, <serge.ayoun@intel.com>,
	<shay.katz-zamir@intel.com>, <linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org>,
	<andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	<carlos@redhat.com>, <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: userspace exception fixups
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 15:04:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181102220437.GI7393@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez0x7ZPcKvLt01WS-VrLm59WfvYE3nE1xbnyn3Qsp5T2rA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 08:02:23PM +0100, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 7:27 PM Sean Christopherson
> <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 10:48:38AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > This whole mechanism seems very complicated, and it's not clear
> > > exactly what behavior user code wants.
> >
> > No argument there.  That's why I like the approach of dumping the
> > exception to userspace without trying to do anything intelligent in
> > the kernel.  Userspace can then do whatever it wants AND we don't
> > have to worry about mucking with stacks.
> >
> > One of the hiccups with the VDSO approach is that the enclave may
> > want to use the untrusted stack, i.e. the stack that has the VDSO's
> > stack frame.  For example, Intel's SDK uses the untrusted stack to
> > pass parameters for EEXIT, which means an AEX might occur with what
> > is effectively a bad stack from the VDSO's perspective.
> 
> What exactly does "uses the untrusted stack to pass parameters for
> EEXIT" mean? I guess you're saying that the enclave is writing to
> RSP+[0...some_positive_offset], and the written data needs to be
> visible to the code outside the enclave afterwards?

As is, they actually do it the other way around, i.e. negative offsets
relative to the untrusted %RSP.  Going into the enclave there is no
reserved space on the stack.  The SDK uses EEXIT like a function call,
i.e. pushing parameters on the stack and making an call outside of the
enclave, hence the name out-call.  This allows the SDK to handle any
reasonable out-call without a priori knowledge of the application's
maximum out-call "size".


Rough outline of what happens in a non-faulting case.

1: Userspace executes EENTER
        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER


2: Enclave does EEXIT to invoke out-call function

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              |
        | paramN           |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EEXIT


3: Userspace re-EENTERs enclave after handling EEXIT request

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              |
        | paramN           |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at post-EEXIT EENTER


4: Enclave cleans up the stack

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP back at original EENTER



In the faulting case, an AEX can occur while the enclave is pushing
parameters onto the stack for EEXIT.


1: Userspace executes EENTER
        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER


2: AEX occurs during enclave prep for EEXIT

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at AEX


3: Userspace re-EENTERs enclave to invoke enclave fault handler

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at AEX
        | userspace stack  |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER to fault handler


4: Enclave handles the fault, EEXITs back to userspace

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at AEX
        | userspace stack  |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EEXIT from fault handler


5: Userspace pops its stack and ERESUMEs back to the enclave
        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at ERESUME


6: Enclave finishes its EEXIT to invoke out-call function

        --------------------
        | userspace stuff  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              |
        | paramN           |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EEXIT 
 
> In other words, the vDSO helper would have to not touch the stack
> pointer (only using the 128-byte redzone to store spilled data, at
> least across the enclave entry), and return by decrementing the stack
> pointer by 8 immediately before returning (storing the return pointer
> in the redzone)?
> 
> So you'd call the vDSO helper with a normal "call
> vdso_helper_address", then the vDSO helper does "add rsp, 8", then the
> vDSO helper does its magic, and then it returns with "sub rsp, 8" and
> "ret"? That way you don't touch anything on the high-address side of
> RSP while still avoiding running into CET problems. (I'm assuming that
> you can use CET in a process that is hosting SGX enclaves?)

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	dalias@libc.org, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	jethro@fortanix.com, jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	nhorman@redhat.com, npmccallum@redhat.com, serge.ayoun@intel.com,
	shay.katz-zamir@intel.com, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org,
	andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	carlos@redhat.com, adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org
Subject: Re: RFC: userspace exception fixups
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 15:04:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181102220437.GI7393@linux.intel.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20181102220437.cMk3cjkxlidycIjLOkgDSnqL9rhgWFJj64pXTyn8gAE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez0x7ZPcKvLt01WS-VrLm59WfvYE3nE1xbnyn3Qsp5T2rA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 08:02:23PM +0100, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 7:27 PM Sean Christopherson
> <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 10:48:38AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > This whole mechanism seems very complicated, and it's not clear
> > > exactly what behavior user code wants.
> >
> > No argument there.  That's why I like the approach of dumping the
> > exception to userspace without trying to do anything intelligent in
> > the kernel.  Userspace can then do whatever it wants AND we don't
> > have to worry about mucking with stacks.
> >
> > One of the hiccups with the VDSO approach is that the enclave may
> > want to use the untrusted stack, i.e. the stack that has the VDSO's
> > stack frame.  For example, Intel's SDK uses the untrusted stack to
> > pass parameters for EEXIT, which means an AEX might occur with what
> > is effectively a bad stack from the VDSO's perspective.
> 
> What exactly does "uses the untrusted stack to pass parameters for
> EEXIT" mean? I guess you're saying that the enclave is writing to
> RSP+[0...some_positive_offset], and the written data needs to be
> visible to the code outside the enclave afterwards?

As is, they actually do it the other way around, i.e. negative offsets
relative to the untrusted %RSP.  Going into the enclave there is no
reserved space on the stack.  The SDK uses EEXIT like a function call,
i.e. pushing parameters on the stack and making an call outside of the
enclave, hence the name out-call.  This allows the SDK to handle any
reasonable out-call without a priori knowledge of the application's
maximum out-call "size".


Rough outline of what happens in a non-faulting case.

1: Userspace executes EENTER
        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER


2: Enclave does EEXIT to invoke out-call function

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              |
        | paramN           |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EEXIT


3: Userspace re-EENTERs enclave after handling EEXIT request

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              |
        | paramN           |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at post-EEXIT EENTER


4: Enclave cleans up the stack

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP back at original EENTER



In the faulting case, an AEX can occur while the enclave is pushing
parameters onto the stack for EEXIT.


1: Userspace executes EENTER
        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER


2: AEX occurs during enclave prep for EEXIT

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at AEX


3: Userspace re-EENTERs enclave to invoke enclave fault handler

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at AEX
        | userspace stack  |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EENTER to fault handler


4: Enclave handles the fault, EEXITs back to userspace

        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at AEX
        | userspace stack  |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EEXIT from fault handler


5: Userspace pops its stack and ERESUMEs back to the enclave
        --------------------
        | userspace stack  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at ERESUME


6: Enclave finishes its EEXIT to invoke out-call function

        --------------------
        | userspace stuff  | 
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at original EENTER
        | out-call func ID |
        | param1           |
        | ...              |
        | paramN           |
        -------------------- <-- %RSP at EEXIT 
 
> In other words, the vDSO helper would have to not touch the stack
> pointer (only using the 128-byte redzone to store spilled data, at
> least across the enclave entry), and return by decrementing the stack
> pointer by 8 immediately before returning (storing the return pointer
> in the redzone)?
> 
> So you'd call the vDSO helper with a normal "call
> vdso_helper_address", then the vDSO helper does "add rsp, 8", then the
> vDSO helper does its magic, and then it returns with "sub rsp, 8" and
> "ret"? That way you don't touch anything on the high-address side of
> RSP while still avoiding running into CET problems. (I'm assuming that
> you can use CET in a process that is hosting SGX enclaves?)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-03  7:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-01 17:53 RFC: userspace exception fixups Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-01 17:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-01 18:09 ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-01 18:09   ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-01 18:30   ` Rich Felker
2018-11-01 18:30     ` Rich Felker
2018-11-01 19:00   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-01 19:00     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-01 18:27 ` Rich Felker
2018-11-01 18:27   ` Rich Felker
2018-11-01 18:33 ` Jann Horn
2018-11-01 18:33   ` Jann Horn
2018-11-01 18:52   ` Rich Felker
2018-11-01 18:52     ` Rich Felker
2018-11-01 19:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-01 19:10       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-01 19:31       ` Rich Felker
2018-11-01 19:31         ` Rich Felker
2018-11-01 21:24         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-01 21:24           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-01 23:22           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-01 23:22             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 16:30             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 16:30               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 16:37               ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-02 16:37                 ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-02 16:52                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 16:52                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 16:56                   ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-02 16:56                     ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-02 17:01                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 17:01                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 17:05                       ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-02 17:05                         ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-02 17:16                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 17:16                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 17:32                           ` Rich Felker
2018-11-02 17:32                             ` Rich Felker
2018-11-02 17:12                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 17:12                       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 22:42                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-02 22:42                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-02 16:56               ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-02 16:56                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-02 17:06                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 17:06                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 17:13                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-02 17:13                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-02 17:33                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 17:33                       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 17:48                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 17:48                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 18:27                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 18:27                           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 19:02                           ` Jann Horn
2018-11-02 19:02                             ` Jann Horn
2018-11-02 22:04                             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2018-11-02 22:04                               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-02 23:27                               ` Jann Horn
2018-11-02 23:27                                 ` Jann Horn
2018-11-02 23:32                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 23:32                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-02 23:36                                   ` Jann Horn
2018-11-02 23:36                                     ` Jann Horn
2018-11-06 15:37                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 15:37                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 16:57                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 16:57                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 17:03                                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 17:03                                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 17:19                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 17:19                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 18:20                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 18:20                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 18:41                                           ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 18:41                                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 19:02                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 19:02                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 19:22                                               ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 19:22                                                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 20:12                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 20:12                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 21:00                                                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 21:00                                                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 21:07                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 21:07                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 21:41                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 21:41                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 21:59                                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 21:59                                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 23:00                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 23:00                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 23:35                                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 23:35                                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 23:39                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-06 23:39                                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-07  0:02                                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-07  0:02                                                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-07  1:17                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-07  1:17                                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-07  6:47                                                                     ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-07  6:47                                                                       ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-07 15:34                                                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-07 15:34                                                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-07 19:01                                                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-07 19:01                                                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-07 20:56                                                                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-07 20:56                                                                           ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-08 15:04                                                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-08 15:04                                                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-08 19:54                                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-08 19:54                                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-08 20:05                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-08 20:05                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-08 20:10                                                           ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-08 20:10                                                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-08 21:16                                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-08 21:16                                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-08 21:50                                                               ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-08 21:50                                                                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-08 22:04                                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-08 22:04                                                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-09  7:12                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-09  7:12                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-06 23:17                                               ` Rich Felker
2018-11-06 23:17                                                 ` Rich Felker
2018-11-06 23:26                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-06 23:26                                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-07 21:27                                                   ` Rich Felker
2018-11-07 21:27                                                     ` Rich Felker
2018-11-07 21:33                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-07 21:33                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-07 21:40                                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-07 21:40                                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-08 15:11                                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-08 15:11                                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-06 17:00                                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-06 17:00                                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-02 22:37             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-02 22:37               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-01 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-01 19:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-02 22:07 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-02 22:07   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-18  7:15 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-18  7:18   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-18 13:02   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19  5:17     ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-19 14:05       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 14:59         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 15:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-19 16:02     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 17:00       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-20 10:11         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-20 15:19           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-20 22:55             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-21  5:17               ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-21 15:17                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-24 17:07                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-26 14:35                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-26 22:06                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-20 18:09           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-20 22:46           ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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