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From: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 18/23] platform/x86: Intel SGX driver
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 12:55:24 -0600
Message-ID: <20181125185524.GA23224@wind.enjellic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0669C300-02CB-4EA6-BF88-5C4B4DDAD4C7@amacapital.net>

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 08:22:35AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:

Good morning to everyone, I hope the weekend continues to proceed
well.

Proposal follows below for kernel based policy management of enclaves
if people want to skip forward.

> >> On Nov 25, 2018, at 6:53 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 09:21:14AM -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 07:21:08AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >>>> At a high level, addressing these issues is straight forward.  First,
> >>>> the driver needs to support authorization equivalent to that which is
> >>>> implemented in the current Intel Launch Enclave, ie. control over the
> >>>> SGX_FLAGS_PROVISION_KEY attribute.
> >>> 
> >>> I agree, hence my email :)
> >> 
> >> Started to scratch my head that is it really an issue that any enclave
> >> can provision in the end?
> >> 
> >> Direct quote from your first response:
> >> 
> >> "In particular, the ability to run enclaves with the provisioning bit set
> >> is somewhat sensitive, since it effectively allows access to a stable
> >> fingerprint of the system."
> >> 
> >> As can be seen from the key derivation table this does not exactly hold
> >> so you should refine your original argument before we can consider any
> >> type of change.
> >> 
> >> I just don't see what it is so wrong for any enclave to be able to tell
> >> that it really is an enclave.

> > I mean I can understand why Greg wants LE although I don't understand
> > what benefit does it bring to anyone to lock in for enclave to allow
> > to identify itself.
> > 
> > What you are proposing does not really bring any additional security if
> > we consider a threat model where the kernel is an adversary but it makes
> > the software stack more clanky to use.

> Agreed. What I'm proposing adds additional security if the kernel is
> *not* compromised.

Let me use this to stress a concept that I believe is important in
this discussion.

SGX is enabling technology that allows developers to create software
architectures that will deliver their stated security and privacy
guarantees irrespective of platform state.  It does this by linking
'islands' of execution (enclaves) together through a web of
cryptographic guarantees.

The notion of a launch enclave is critical to establishing these
guarantees.  As soon as the kernel becomes involved in implementing
SGX security policy the architecture becomes vulnerable to kernel
and/or privilege modification attacks.

We've talked at length about the provisioning bit, I won't go into
details unless people are interested, but the EPID provisioning
protocol implements an SGX mediated cryptographic contract that a
perpetual platform identifier will not be disclosed to anyone but
Intel.  The launch enclave is critical to that guarantee.

It is completely understandable why a locked down, (non-FLC) hardware
platform, is undesirable in this community.  That doesn't mean that a
launch enclave as a concept is unneeded or necessarily evil.

In an FLC environment the kernel assumes responsibility for SGX
privacy and security.  This means that we need to do at least as well
with a kernel based model as to what is currently available.

> There are other ways to accomplish it that might be better in some
> respects.  For example, there could be /dev/sgx and
> /dev/sgx_rights/provision.  The former exposes the whole sgx API,
> except that it doesn???t allow provisioning by default. The latter
> does nothing by itself. To run a provisioning enclave, you open both
> nodes, then do something like:
>
> ioctl(sgx, SGX_IOC_ADD_RIGHT, sgx_provisioning);
>
> This requires extra syscalls, but it doesn't have the combinatorial
> explosion problem.

Here is a proposal for the driver to add the needed policy control
that is 'SGXy' in nature.  The 'SGXy' way is to use MRSIGNER values as
the currency for security policy management.

The driver should establish the equivalent of three linked lists,
maintainable via /sysfs pseudo-files or equivalent plumbing.  The
lists are referenced by the kernel to enforce the following policies.

1.) The right to initialize an enclave without special attributes.

2.) The right to initialize an enclave with the PROVISION_KEY attribute set.

3.) The right to initialize an enclave with the LICENSE_KEY attribute set.

The lists are populated with MRSIGNER values of enclaves that are
allowed to initialize under the specified conditions.

The driver should either establish a 'seal' file or value,
ie. MRSIGNER value of all zero's, that once written will not allow
further modifications of the list(s).  This will allow
cryptographically guaranteed policies to be setup at early boot that
will limit the ability of subsequent DAC compromises to affect policy
management.

The lists are obviously vulnerable to a kernel compromise but the
vulnerability scope is significantly limited vs. 'can I get root or
some other userid'.  If we are really concerned about the scope of
that vulnerability there could be an option on TPM based systems to
verify a hash value over the lists once sealed on each enclave
initialization.  We have already conceded that EINIT isn't going to be
any type of speed daemon.

On an FLC system the driver verifies that the submitted enclave has an
MRSIGNER value on one of the lists consistent with the attributes of
the enclave before loading the value into the identity modulus
signature registers.

In this model, I would argue that the driver does not need to
arbitrarily exclude launch enclaves as it does now, since the kernel
has the ability to specify acceptable launch enclaves.  The driver API
can alaso continue to accept an EINITTOKEN which maintains
compatibility with the current ABI.  Punishment can be inflicted on
non-FLC hardware owners by issueing EINVAL if an EINITTOKEN is
specified on platforms with fixed launch keys.

This also has the effect of allowing multiple launch enclaves at the
platform owner's discretion.  I know there was some sentiment, and
Jarkko had code, that used a launch enclave at a fixed location such
as /lib/firmware.  That has the disadvantage of requiring that the
kernel know about all the different ways that a launch enclave might
be used or setup.  It also establishes a cryptographic rather then a
filesystem based guarantee on the launch enclave being used.

If the lists are empty the kernel simply proceeds as it does now and
loads any enclave submitted to it.

I believe this architecture has a number of merits.  It largely
preserves compatibility with current PSW's and provides a mechanism
for cryptographically enforced policy that is consistent with the SGX
architecture.

I need to get Christmas lights put up on the house for the squirrels
to eat so I will leave this proposal open for debate.

Have a good remainder of the weekend or whats left of it.

Dr. Greg

As always,
Dr. G.W. Wettstein, Ph.D.   Enjellic Systems Development, LLC.
4206 N. 19th Ave.           Specializing in information infra-structure
Fargo, ND  58102            development.
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Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20181116010412.23967-1-jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 01/23] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 14:22   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-16 15:07     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 20:24       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-18  8:20         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 02/23] x86/cpufeatures: Add Intel-defined SGX feature bit Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 14:28   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-16 15:13     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 15:18       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 20:53         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 03/23] x86/cpufeatures: Add SGX sub-features (as Linux-defined bits) Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 14:37   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-16 15:38     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-16 23:31   ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-18  8:36     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 04/23] x86/msr: Add IA32_FEATURE_CONTROL.SGX_ENABLE definition Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 05/23] x86/cpufeatures: Add Intel-defined SGX_LC feature bit Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 06/23] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX support and update caps appropriately Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 23:32   ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-18  8:37     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-21 18:17   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-24 13:54     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 07/23] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Add new 'PF_SGX' page fault error code bit Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 23:33   ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-18  8:38     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 08/23] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV for userspace #PFs w/ PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 09/23] x86/sgx: Define SGX1 and SGX2 ENCLS leafs Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 10/23] x86/sgx: Add ENCLS architectural error codes Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 11/23] x86/sgx: Add SGX1 and SGX2 architectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 12/23] x86/sgx: Add definitions for SGX's CPUID leaf and variable sub-leafs Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 13/23] x86/msr: Add SGX Launch Control MSR definitions Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 17:29   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-11-18  8:19     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 14/23] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 15/23] x86/sgx: Enumerate and track EPC sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 16/23] x86/sgx: Add functions to allocate and free EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 17/23] x86/sgx: Add sgx_einit() for initializing enclaves Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 18/23] platform/x86: Intel SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:37   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-11-16 11:23     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 15:06   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 16:22     ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-19 17:19       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 17:39         ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-20 10:58           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-21 15:24             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 18:18         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-20 11:00           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 15:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-19 16:19     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-19 16:59       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-20 12:04         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-22 11:12           ` Dr. Greg
2018-11-22 15:21             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-24 17:21               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-24 20:13                 ` Dr. Greg
2018-11-26 21:15                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-25 14:53                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-25 16:22                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-25 18:55                     ` Dr. Greg [this message]
2018-11-25 23:51                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                       ` <D45BC005-5064-4C75-B486-4E43C454E2F6@amacapital.net>
2018-11-26  0:37                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-26 11:00                           ` Dr. Greg
2018-11-26 18:22                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-26 22:16                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-26 21:51                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-26 23:04                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-27  8:55                         ` Dr. Greg
2018-11-27 16:41                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-27 17:55                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-28 10:49                               ` Dr. Greg
2018-11-28 19:22                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-10 10:49                                   ` Dr. Greg
2018-12-12 18:00                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-14 23:59                                       ` Dr. Greg
2018-12-15  0:06                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-15 23:22                                           ` Dr. Greg
2018-12-17 14:27                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-17 13:28                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 13:39                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 14:08                                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 14:13                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 16:34                                                   ` Dr. Greg
2018-12-17 17:31                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-17 17:49                                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 18:09                                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-17 18:23                                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 18:46                                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-17 19:36                                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-27 16:46                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-28 21:52                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-27  7:46                       ` Jethro Beekman
2018-11-27 16:36                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-22 20:56             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-23 10:39               ` Dr. Greg
2018-11-24 16:45                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-28  5:08                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-28  5:38                     ` Jethro Beekman
2018-12-09 17:01         ` Pavel Machek
2018-11-20 11:15     ` Dr. Greg
2018-11-24 16:15       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-24 19:24         ` Dr. Greg
2018-11-26 19:39           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-09 17:01     ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-10 14:46       ` Dr. Greg
2018-12-17 17:45   ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 18:01     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 18:07       ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 18:31         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 18:36       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-17 18:43         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 18:47           ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 19:12             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-17 19:17               ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 19:25                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-17 19:54                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 19:49                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 19:53                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 19:55                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-17 20:03                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 20:10                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-17 20:15                           ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 22:36                             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-18  1:40                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 22:20               ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-18  1:39                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18  3:27                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18  5:02                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-18 13:27                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18  4:55                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-18 13:18                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18  4:59                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-18 13:11                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18 15:44                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-18 18:53                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-19  5:00                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-19  5:13                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-21 18:28                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-22  0:01                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-19  4:47                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-19  5:24                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18  1:17               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18  1:31                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 18:48           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-17 19:09             ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 19:37               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 19:40                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-17 19:33             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-17 20:21               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18 13:13                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-18 15:46                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-12-18  5:55   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-19  5:22     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 19/23] platform/x86: sgx: Add swapping functionality to the " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 20/23] x86/sgx: Add a simple swapper for the EPC memory manager Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 21/23] platform/x86: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 22/23] x86/sgx: SGX documentation Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-03  3:28   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-12-03  9:32     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16  1:01 ` [PATCH v17 23/23] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-16 11:17 ` [PATCH v17 00/23] Intel SGX1 support Jarkko Sakkinen

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