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From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: "Xing, Cedric" <cedric.xing@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Implement SGX specific hooks in SELinux
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 16:17:55 -0700
Message-ID: <20190613231755.GD18385@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <960B34DE67B9E140824F1DCDEC400C0F65503EDD@ORSMSX116.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 04:03:24PM -0700, Xing, Cedric wrote:
> > From: Stephen Smalley [mailto:sds@tycho.nsa.gov]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:02 AM
> > 
> > > My RFC series[1] implements #1.  My understanding is that Andy
> > > (Lutomirski) prefers #2.  Cedric's RFC series implements #3.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the easiest way to make forward progress is to rule out the
> > > options we absolutely *don't* want by focusing on the potentially
> > > blocking issue with each option:
> > >
> > >    #1 - SGX UAPI funkiness
> > >
> > >    #2 - Auditing complexity, potential enclave lock contention
> > >
> > >    #3 - Pushing SGX details into LSMs and complexity of kernel
> > > implementation
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190606021145.12604-1-sean.j.christopherson
> > > @intel.com
> > 
> > Given the complexity tradeoff, what is the clear motivating example for
> > why #1 isn't the obvious choice? That the enclave loader has no way of
> > knowing a priori whether the enclave will require W->X or WX?  But
> > aren't we better off requiring enclaves to be explicitly marked as
> > needing such so that we can make a more informed decision about whether
> > to load them in the first place?
> 
> Are you asking this question at a) page granularity, b) file granularity or
> c) enclave (potentially comprised of multiple executable files) granularity?
> 
> #b is what we have on regular executable files and shared objects (i.e.
> FILE__EXECMOD). We all know how to do that.
> 
> #c is kind of new but could be done via some proxy file (e.g. sigstruct file)
> hence reduced to #b.
> 
> #a is problematic. It'd require compilers/linkers to generate such
> information, and proper executable image file format to carry that
> information, to be eventually picked up the loader. SELinux doesn't have
> PAGE__EXECMOD I guess is because it is generally considered impractical.
> 
> Option #1 however requires #a because the driver doesn't track which page was
> loaded from which file, otherwise it can no longer be qualified "simple". Or
> we could just implement #c, which will make all options simpler. But I guess
> #b is still preferred, to be aligned with what SELinux is enforcing today on
> regular memory pages.o

Option #1 doesn't require (a).  The checks will happen for every page,
but in the RFCs I sent, the policies are still attached to files and
processes, i.e. (b).

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Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06  2:11 [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] security: x86/sgx: SGX vs. LSM Sean Christopherson
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 15:06   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 15:55     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 17:47       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-10 19:49         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 22:06           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/5] x86/sgx: Require userspace to define enclave pages' protection bits Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 15:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 16:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 17:45       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 18:17         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12 19:26           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 18:29   ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-10 19:15     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 22:28       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-12  0:09         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-12 14:34           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12 18:20             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/5] x86/sgx: Enforce noexec filesystem restriction for enclaves Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 16:00   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 16:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-11 17:21       ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/5] LSM: x86/sgx: Introduce ->enclave_load() hook for Intel SGX Sean Christopherson
2019-06-07 19:58   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-10 16:21     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 16:05   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/5] security/selinux: Add enclave_load() implementation Sean Christopherson
2019-06-07 21:16   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-10 16:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-17 16:38   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10  7:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] security/x86/sgx: SGX specific LSM hooks Cedric Xing
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Add " Cedric Xing
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Implement SGX specific hooks in SELinux Cedric Xing
2019-06-11 13:40     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-11 22:02       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12  9:32         ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-12 14:25           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13  7:25             ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-12 19:30         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-12 22:02           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13  0:10             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13  1:02             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 17:02         ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-13 23:03           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 23:17             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2019-06-14  0:31               ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14  0:46           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 15:38             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-16 22:14               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-17 16:49                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-17 17:08                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-18 15:40                   ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-14 17:16             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14 17:45               ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 17:53                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 20:01                   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-16 22:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-14 23:19             ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-11 22:55       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 18:00         ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-13 19:48           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13 21:09             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 21:02           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14  0:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Call new LSM hooks from SGX subsystem Cedric Xing
2019-06-10 17:36   ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] security/x86/sgx: SGX specific LSM hooks Jarkko Sakkinen

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