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From: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Jethro Beekman <jethro@fortanix.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, nhorman@redhat.com, npmccallum@redhat.com,
	haitao.huang@intel.com, andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, kai.svahn@intel.com, bp@alien8.de,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, luto@kernel.org, kai.huang@intel.com,
	rientjes@google.com, cedric.xing@intel.com,
	puiterwijk@redhat.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Haitao Huang <haitao.huang@linux.intel.com>,
	Chunyang Hui <sanqian.hcy@antfin.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v28 11/22] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:22:20 -0500
Message-ID: <20200319182219.GB22995@wind.enjellic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200306190003.GF7472@linux.intel.com>

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:00:03PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:

Good afternoon, I hope the day is going well for everyone.

> > >> +/**
> > >> + * struct sgx_enclave_create - parameter structure for the
> > >> + *                             %SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_CREATE ioctl
> > >> + * @src:	address for the SECS page data
> > >> + */
> > >> +struct sgx_enclave_create  {
> > >> +	__u64	src;
> > > 
> > > Would it make sense to add reserved fields to the structs so that new
> > > features can be added in a backwards compatible way?  E.g. if we want to
> > > allow userspace to control the backing store by passing in a file
> > > descriptor ENCLAVE_CREATE.

> > Reserving space for future fields is not necessary because the
> > size of the struct is encoded in the ioctl number. The kernel can
> > use this to differentiate between different call versions from
> > userspace.

> Sure but I still would never change the signature once a ioctl is
> added.

These reflections cause me to call, once again, what will be an
unpopular question, but if we pride ourselves on intellectual honesty
in our engineering practices we need to address it.

If we are locking ioctl's and ABI's down, then we need to address,
before the driver goes in, how we are going to handle support for
those of us that have engineering needs around launch token
technology.

On an FLC (unlocked) platform, which is the only thing the driver will
initialize on, there is no reason not to preserve the initialization
IOCTL argument structure that accepts a pointer to a launch token or
to disallow an enclave that has the attribute bit/mask set that allows
the enclave to have access to the launch key.  When presented with an
enclave with the launch bit set the driver can simply set the launch
control registers to the MRSIGNER value of that enclave.

It is a straight forward process to provide a root based mechanism
that allows the owner of the platform to control that behavior, if
there are concerns about how the platform is to be used, much like
what is currently being done with access to the provision key.

The ideological purity statement is made by the decision to limit what
hardware the driver will run on.  Once that statement is made, and the
driver firmly implements that decision, the owner of that platform
should be able to decide how they want to use and implement the
technology from there.

Unless someone else chirps up there are essentially only two complete
runtimes that are concerned with this issue.  Intel can enforce
enhanced ideological purity, if they desire, by simply disallowing
anyone to pass a non-null EINIT structure pointer through their
runtime to the driver, which leaves us to implement the behavior we
want without ABI concerns.

There is a fairly fundamental question here regarding 'software
freedom', maybe Jonathan Corbet and company will even pick up on
it.... :-)

> /Jarkko

Hopefully all of this makes sense and is reasonable.

Have a good remainder of the week, wherever you happen to be locked in
at.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming on the
register dance surrounding enclave entry.

Dr. Greg

As always,
Dr. Greg Wettstein, Ph.D, Worker      SGX secured infrastructure and
Enjellic Systems Development, LLC     autonomously self-defensive
4206 N. 19th Ave.                     platforms.
Fargo, ND  58102
PH: 701-281-1686                      EMAIL: greg@enjellic.com
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Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-03 23:35 [PATCH v28 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 01/22] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 02/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX hardware bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 03/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Intel SGX Launch Control " Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 04/22] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV with PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 05/22] x86/sgx: Add SGX microarchitectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 06/22] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:14   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 07/22] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX supprt Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-11 17:03     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 08/22] x86/sgx: Enumerate and track EPC sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 09/22] x86/sgx: Add functions to allocate and free EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 10/22] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 11/22] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 17:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-05 18:24     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-05 19:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 19:00       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-19 18:22         ` Dr. Greg [this message]
2020-03-06 18:58     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 12/22] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 13/22] selftests/x86: Recurse into subdirectories Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:27   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-05 11:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-06 15:42       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:07         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-07 17:42           ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-10 13:08             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 13:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20200311164047.GG21852@linux.intel.com>
2020-03-13 19:24           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-04 19:51   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-06  5:32   ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-10 19:29     ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-11  9:13       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-11 17:15         ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-17  1:07       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 15/22] x86/sgx: Add provisioning Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 16/22] x86/sgx: Add a page reclaimer Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 19:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 18:47     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-12 18:38       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-15  0:27         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-15  1:17           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:16   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 17/22] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 18/22] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 19/22] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 20/22] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 21/22] x86/vdso: Implement a vDSO for Intel SGX enclave call Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 17:30   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-11 17:38     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-11 19:15       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 15:48       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 16:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 18:32           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 18:44             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 20:14               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 22:08                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-14 14:10                   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-18 23:40                     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-19  0:38                       ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-19  1:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-20 13:55                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-15  1:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-15 17:53       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 13:31         ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-16 13:57           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 13:59             ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-16 14:03               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 17:17                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 21:27             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 21:29               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 22:55           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 23:56             ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-18 22:01               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-18 22:18                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 13:56         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 14:01           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 21:38             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 22:53               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 23:50                 ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-16 23:59                   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17  0:18                     ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17  0:27                       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 16:37                         ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:50                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 21:40                         ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17 22:09                           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 22:36                             ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17 23:57                               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 22:23                         ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-18 13:01                           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-20 15:53                             ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:28                 ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-18 22:58                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-18 22:39                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 19:30   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13  0:52     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 16:07       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 16:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 22/22] selftests/x86: Add vDSO selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:24 ` [PATCH v28 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:00 ` Jordan Hand
2020-03-18 21:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-19 17:16   ` Dr. Greg

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