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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v36 23/24] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:55:29 +0300
Message-ID: <20200819205529.GA9224@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200728213511.GB13081@duo.ucw.cz>

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:35:11PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > +CPUs starting from Icelake use Total Memory Encryption (TME) in the place of
> > +MEE. TME throws away the Merkle tree, which means losing integrity and
> > +anti-replay protection but also enables variable size memory pools for EPC.
> > +Using this attack for benefit would require an interposer on the system bus.
> 
> It is not exactly clear what "this attack" means.
> 
> (And it would be cool to explain against what SGX is protecting. I
> thought it was malicious RAM, but apparently not on Icelake+).

Icelake has the same capabilities against software attacks as
generations before that given the same CPU access control.

A custom interposer on a bus could use replay for the data coming out of
the CPU package. In pre-Icelake (i.e. MEE), this is prevented with a
Merkle tree.

However, DMA is still blocked by the PRMRR to the EPC memory even on
Icelake (SDM section 41.10), which adds some cost to do so (e.g. a
malicous peripheral).

Memory is of course encrypted in both architectures.

Agreed that the current paragraph looks confusing. I'll refine it based
on what I just wrote. I want to make it as transparent as possible but
it cannot be achieved without appropriate feedback.

> 
> > +Backing storage
> > +===============
> > +
> > +Backing storage is shared and not accounted. It is implemented as a private
> > +shmem file. Providing a backing storage in some form from user space is not
> > +possible - accounting would go to invalid state as reclaimed pages would get
> > +accounted to the processes of which behalf the kernel happened to be acting on.
> 
> "of which behalf" -- I can't parse that?

Executing in a process context.

> 
> > +Access control
> > +==============
> > +
> > +`mmap()` permissions are capped by the enclave permissions. A direct
> > +consequence of this is that all the pages for an address range must be added
> > +before `mmap()` can be applied. Effectively an enclave page with minimum
> > +permission in the address range sets the permission cap for the mapping
>    ~~~~~~~~~~
>     permissions?

Thanks, I'll fix that one.

> 									Pavel

Sorry for the late response. I came last week back from vacation and
have been purging the piled up stacks of email (looking at your domain
I have to add that I was in Brno, Czech).

/Jarkko

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Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-16 13:52 [PATCH v36 00/24] Intel SGX foundations Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 01/24] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX hardware bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:13   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 02/24] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX Launch Control " Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:14   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 03/24] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV with PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:16   ` Darren Kenny
2020-08-20 15:31   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-08-21 17:35     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 04/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX microarchitectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:14   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 05/24] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-07  9:37   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 06/24] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX support Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:17   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 07/24] x86/cpu/intel: Add nosgx kernel parameter Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:18   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 08/24] x86/sgx: Initialize metadata for Enclave Page Cache (EPC) sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:27   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 09/24] x86/sgx: Add __sgx_alloc_epc_page() and sgx_free_epc_page() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:29   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 10/24] mm: Add vm_ops->mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:35   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 11/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX enclave driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 13:59   ` Darren Kenny
2020-08-25 16:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-08-26 13:46     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 12/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_CREATE Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 15:40   ` Darren Kenny
2020-08-26 14:52   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-08-27 13:24     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-27 16:15       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-08-28 23:39         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-29  0:21       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-01 16:41   ` Haitao Huang
2020-09-04 11:55     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 13/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_ADD_PAGES Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 16:29   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 14/24] x86/sgx: Add SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_INIT Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 16:40   ` Darren Kenny
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 15/24] x86/sgx: Allow a limited use of ATTRIBUTE.PROVISIONKEY for attestation Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 17:00   ` Darren Kenny
2020-08-18 13:30     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 16/24] x86/sgx: Add a page reclaimer Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 17/24] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 18/24] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 19/24] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:52 ` [PATCH v36 20/24] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:53 ` [PATCH v36 21/24] x86/vdso: Implement a vDSO for Intel SGX enclave call Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-06 14:55   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-08-10 22:23     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-08-11  7:16       ` Jethro Beekman
2020-08-11 14:54         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-08-18 14:52       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-18 15:06         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-18 15:15           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-08-18 16:43             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-19 13:33               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-08-19 14:00                 ` Jethro Beekman
2020-08-19 21:23                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-10 23:08     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-10 23:48       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-08-11  0:52         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-11 15:16           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-13 19:38             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-08-17 13:12       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-08-17 15:01         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-18 15:15       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-20  0:19         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-18 14:26     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:53 ` [PATCH v36 22/24] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-08-27  4:47   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-08-27 15:20     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-08-28 23:27       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-16 13:53 ` [PATCH v36 23/24] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-07-28 21:35   ` Pavel Machek
2020-08-06 10:21     ` Dr. Greg
2020-08-08 22:18       ` Pavel Machek
2020-08-19 20:55     ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2020-07-16 13:53 ` [PATCH v36 24/24] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen

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