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From: Jethro Beekman <jethro@fortanix.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org" <linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Cedric Xing <cedric.xing@intel.com>,
	"Dr . Greg Wettstein" <greg@enjellic.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/7] x86/sgx: Add flag to zero added region instead of copying from source
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 00:38:02 +0000
Message-ID: <35dd5d44-5ddf-09d3-e2d3-8570b2cdf6f5@fortanix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190610185340.GJ15995@linux.intel.com>

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On 2019-06-10 11:53, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 12:32:23PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 10:20:38AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:49 PM Sean Christopherson
>>>> <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For some enclaves, e.g. an enclave with a small code footprint and a
>>>>> large working set, the vast majority of pages added to the enclave are
>>>>> zero pages.  Introduce a flag to denote such zero pages.  The major
>>>>> benefit of the flag will be realized in a future patch to use Linux's
>>>>> actual zero page as the source, as opposed to explicitly zeroing the
>>>>> enclave's backing memory.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I feel like I probably asked this at some point, but why is there a
>>>> workqueue here at all?
>>>
>>> Performance.  A while back I wrote a patch set to remove the worker queue
>>> and discovered that it tanks enclave build time when the enclave is being
>>> hosted by a Golang application.  Here's a snippet from a mail discussing
>>> the code.
>>>
>>>     The bad news is that I don't think we can remove the add page worker
>>>     as applications with userspace schedulers, e.g. Go's M:N scheduler,
>>>     can see a 10x or more throughput improvement when using the worker
>>>     queue.  I did a bit of digging for the Golang case to make sure I
>>>     wasn't doing something horribly stupid/naive and found that it's a
>>>     generic issue in Golang with blocking (or just long-running) system
>>>     calls.  Because Golang multiplexes Goroutines on top of OS threads,
>>>     blocking syscalls introduce latency and context switching overhead,
>>>     e.g. Go's scheduler will spin up a new OS thread to service other
>>>     Goroutines after it realizes the syscall has blocked, and will later
>>>     destroy one of the OS threads so that it doesn't build up too many
>>>     unused.
>>>
>>> IIRC, the scenario is spinning up several goroutines, each building an
>>> enclave.  I played around with adding a flag to do a synchronous EADD
>>> but didn't see a meaningful change in performance for the simple case.
>>> Supporting both the worker queue and direct paths was complex enough
>>> that I decided it wasn't worth the trouble for initial upstreaming.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> It seems silly to add a workaround for a language that has trouble calling
>> somewhat-but-not-too-slow syscalls or ioctls.
>>
>> How about fixing this in Go directly?  Either convince the golang people to
>> add a way to allocate a real thread for a particular region of code or have
>> the Go SGX folks write a bit of C code to do  a whole bunch of ioctls and
>> have Go call *that*.  Then the mess stays in Go where it belongs.
> 
> Actually, I'm pretty sure changing the ioctl() from ADD_PAGE to ADD_REGION
> would eliminate the worst of the golang slowdown without requiring
> userspace to get super fancy.  I'm in favor of eliminating the work queue,
> especially if the UAPI is changed to allow adding multiple pages in a
> single syscall.
> 

I don't know if this is going to matter a whole lot, but have you 
considered the performance impact of needing to the EPC paging while 
doing the EADD ioctl and how this interacts with having a workqueue?

--
Jethro Beekman | Fortanix


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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-05 19:48 [PATCH 0/7] x86/sgx: Clean up and enhance add pages ioctl Sean Christopherson
2019-06-05 19:48 ` [PATCH 1/7] x86/sgx: Remove dead code to handle non-existent IOR ioctl Sean Christopherson
2019-06-05 19:48 ` [PATCH 2/7] x86/sgx: Remove unnecessary @cmd parameter from ioctl helpers Sean Christopherson
2019-06-05 19:48 ` [PATCH 3/7] x86/sgx: Let ioctl helpers do copy to/from user Sean Christopherson
2019-06-05 19:48 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86/sgx: Allow userspace to add multiple pages in single ioctl() Sean Christopherson
2019-06-06 15:47   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-13  0:43   ` Jethro Beekman
2019-06-13 16:51     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13 19:05       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-13 19:15         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13 19:45       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-05 19:48 ` [PATCH 5/7] x86/sgx: Add flag to zero added region instead of copying from source Sean Christopherson
2019-06-06 17:20   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-06 17:32     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-07 19:32       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 17:06         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 18:09         ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-10 18:41           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 18:53         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13  0:38           ` Jethro Beekman [this message]
2019-06-13 13:46             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13 16:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-13 16:54                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-05 19:48 ` [PATCH 6/7] x86/sgx: Use the actual zero page as the source when adding zero pages Sean Christopherson
2019-06-05 19:48 ` [PATCH 7/7] x86/sgx: Add a reserved field to sgx_enclave_add_region to drop 'packed' Sean Christopherson
2019-06-05 19:59   ` Dave Hansen
2019-06-05 20:00     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-12 15:14   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-12 15:23     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13  0:44       ` Jethro Beekman
2019-06-13 15:38       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-12 15:16 ` [PATCH 0/7] x86/sgx: Clean up and enhance add pages ioctl Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-12 18:14   ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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