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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v29 00/20] Intel SGX foundations
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 17:48:30 -0700
Message-ID: <BD424C59-0B02-451D-8DF0-74F92292A87C@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200502230510.GA28470@wind.enjellic.com>



> On May 2, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Dr. Greg <greg@enjellic.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 06:59:11AM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon, I hope the weekend is going well for everyone.
> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 08:14:59AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 08:23:29AM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 11:57:53AM -0500, Dr. Greg wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:52:56AM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> The current implementation requires that the firmware sets
>>>>>> IA32_SGXLEPUBKEYHASH* MSRs as writable so that ultimately
>>>>>> the kernel can decide what enclaves it wants run. The
>>>>>> implementation does not create any bottlenecks to support
>>>>>> read-only MSRs later on.
>>>> 
>>>>> It seems highly unlikely that a driver implementation with any type of
>>>>> support for read-only launch control registers would ever get into the
>>>>> kernel.  All one needs to do is review the conversations that Matthew
>>>>> Garrett's lockdown patches engender to get a sense of that, ie:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://lwn.net/Articles/818277/
>>>> 
>>>> We do not require read-only MSRs.
>>> 
>>> Greg is pointing out the opposite, that supporting read-only MSRs is highly
>>> unlikely to ever be supported in the mainline kernel.
> 
>> In a nutshell, what is wrong in the current code changes and what
>> *exactly* should we change? This is way too high level at the moment
>> at least for my limited brain capacity.
> 
> In a nutshell, the driver needs our patch that implements
> cryptographic policy management.
> 
> A patch that:
> 
> 1.) Does not change the default behavior of the driver.
> 
> 2.) Implements capabilities that are consistent with what the hardware
> was designed to do, but only at the discretion of the platform owner.
> 
> 3.) Has no impact on the driver architecture.
> 
> The only consumer for this driver are SGX runtimes.  To our knowledge,
> there exist only two complete runtime implementations, Intel's and
> ours.  It us unclear why our approach to the use of the technology
> should be discriminated against when it doesn't impact the other user
> community.

Can you clarify how exactly this patch set discriminates against your stack?

> 
> The Linux kernel that I have worked on and supported since 1992 has
> always focused on technical rationale and meritocracy rather then
> politics.  We would be interested in why our proposal for the driver
> fails on the former grounds rather then the latter.
> 
>> /Jarkko
> 
> Best wishes for a productive week.
> 
> Dr. Greg
> 
> As always,
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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-21 21:52 Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:52 ` [PATCH v29 01/20] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:52 ` [PATCH v29 02/20] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX hardware bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:52 ` [PATCH v29 03/20] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Intel SGX Launch Control " Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 04/20] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV with PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 05/20] x86/sgx: Add SGX microarchitectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 06/20] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 07/20] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX support Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 08/20] x86/sgx: Enumerate and track EPC sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 09/20] x86/sgx: Add functions to allocate and free EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 10/20] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 11/20] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-08 19:09   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 12/20] x86/sgx: Add provisioning Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 13/20] x86/sgx: Add a page reclaimer Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 14/20] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-06 21:50   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-13 21:40     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 15/20] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 16/20] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 17/20] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 18/20] x86/vdso: Implement a vDSO for Intel SGX enclave call Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 19/20] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-21 21:53 ` [PATCH v29 20/20] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-22 16:48 ` [PATCH v29 00/20] Intel SGX foundations Connor Kuehl
2020-04-29  5:22   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-26 16:57 ` Dr. Greg
2020-04-29  5:23   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-29 15:14     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-04-30  3:59       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-02 23:05         ` Dr. Greg
2020-05-03  0:48           ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2020-05-04  9:34             ` Dr. Greg
2020-04-29 15:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-08  0:40     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-07  0:41   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-08 19:02     ` Dr. Greg
2020-05-08 19:56       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-14  9:16         ` Dr. Greg
2020-05-14 16:15           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-14 16:20             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-14 19:29               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15  9:28               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-15  9:42                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-15 16:24                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-15  0:09             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-15 19:54           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-05-16  9:58             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-24 21:27           ` Pavel Machek
2020-05-26  8:16             ` David Laight
2020-04-26 17:03 ` Dr. Greg
2020-04-29 15:27 ` Jethro Beekman
2020-04-30  3:46   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-30  7:19     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-04-30  8:23       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-04-30 14:12         ` Jethro Beekman
2020-05-06 12:16           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-06 16:39 ` Jordan Hand
2020-05-07 18:06   ` Dr. Greg
2020-05-08 16:16     ` Jordan Hand
2020-05-13 23:09   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-06 21:42 ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-05-06 22:14   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-07  5:02     ` Haitao Huang
2020-05-07 16:49       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-05-07 19:34         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-07 22:35           ` Haitao Huang
2020-05-08  0:25             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-28 11:15               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-28 11:19                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-07 22:31         ` Haitao Huang
2020-05-13 22:14   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-13 22:18     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-14  6:31     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-05-14 19:30     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15  0:22       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-08 19:08 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-14 19:05   ` Seth Moore
2020-05-15  0:23     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-12 11:55 ` Hui, Chunyang
2020-05-12 16:51   ` Dr. Greg
2020-05-14 10:49   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-05-16  8:53 ` [PATCH] x86/cpu/intel: Add nosgx kernel parameter Jarkko Sakkinen

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