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From: Dmitry Safonov <dima@arista.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/50] Add log level to show_stack()
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 16:12:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <de8a397d-8660-4ace-9626-127debcf43a7@arista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191106083538.z5nlpuf64cigxigh@pathway.suse.cz>

On 11/6/19 8:35 AM, Petr Mladek wrote:
> On Wed 2019-11-06 03:04:51, Dmitry Safonov wrote:
>> Add log level argument to show_stack().
>> Done in three stages:
>> 1. Introducing show_stack_loglvl() for every architecture
>> 2. Migrating old users with an explicit log level
>> 3. Renaming show_stack_loglvl() into show_stack()
>>
>> Justification:
>> o It's a design mistake to move a business-logic decision
>>   into platform realization detail.
>> o I have currently two patches sets that would benefit from this work:
>>   Removing console_loglevel jumps in sysrq driver [1]
> 
> Just to clarify. The problem in sysrq driver is a bit different.
> It modifies console_loglevel to show even less important message
> on the console.
> 
> IMHO, it should be solved by printing the header line with pr_error().
> It is not ideal. A cleaner solution might be to introduce another
> loglevel that will always get pushed to the console. But I am
> not sure if it is worth this single line.

I believe why it's not done - there is a comment in sysrq code that said
the userspace relies on the loglevel of sysrq messages (and may trigger
alerts from emerg/err log level):
  * Raise the apparent loglevel to maximum so that the sysrq header
  * is shown to provide the user with positive feedback.  We do not
  * simply emit this at KERN_EMERG as that would change message
  * routing in the consumers of /proc/kmsg.

But I don't mind any solution.

>>   Hung task warning before panic [2] - suggested by Tetsuo (but he
>>   probably didn't realise what it would involve).
>> o While doing (1), (2) the backtraces were adjusted to headers
>>   and other messages for each situation - so there won't be a situation
>>   when the backtrace is printed, but the headers are missing because
>>   they have lesser log level (or the reverse).
>> o As the result in (2) plays with console_loglevel for kdb are removed.
> 
>> The least important for upstream, but maybe still worth to note that
>> every company I've worked in so far had an off-list patch to print
>> backtrace with the needed log level (but only for the architecture they
>> cared about).
>> If you have other ideas how you will benefit from show_stack() with
>> a log level - please, reply to this cover letter.
> 
> I agree with all the other justification.
> 
> I would add. The backtrace is really useful for debugging. It should
> be possible to print it even in less critical situations.
> 
> I am afraid that many people use WARN() for this purpose. But WARN()
> is not always appropriate. WARN() misuse huts when panic_on_warn
> option is used.

Thanks, Petr.

-- 
          Dmitry

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Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-06  3:04 [PATCH 00/50] Add log level to show_stack() Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-06  3:04 ` [PATCH 03/50] arc: Add show_stack_loglvl() Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-06  8:35 ` [PATCH 00/50] Add log level to show_stack() Petr Mladek
2019-11-06 16:12   ` Dmitry Safonov [this message]
2019-11-08 10:37   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-08 13:04     ` Petr Mladek
2019-11-11  1:23       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-11  9:12         ` Petr Mladek
2019-11-12  4:44           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-12  4:57             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-12  8:35               ` Petr Mladek
2019-11-12 10:12                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-13  1:23                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-13  2:25                     ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-13  6:33                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-13  8:47                         ` Petr Mladek
2019-11-13 16:24                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-11-13 16:40                         ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-15  0:50                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-13 15:32             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-11-11 19:47         ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-12  2:17           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-12  2:40             ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-12  4:25               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-13  2:41                 ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-13  2:51                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-13 15:39             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-11-15  3:36               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-11-06  9:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-06 16:27   ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-06 20:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-06 23:25       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-11-13 15:44         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-11-08 16:28       ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-08 17:30         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-11-08 21:08           ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-11-13 15:41       ` Steven Rostedt

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