From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A28C47094 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D260061278 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230365AbhFGXAv (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Jun 2021 19:00:51 -0400 Received: from gate.crashing.org ([63.228.1.57]:35597 "EHLO gate.crashing.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230355AbhFGXAv (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Jun 2021 19:00:51 -0400 Received: from gate.crashing.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gate.crashing.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id 157MsaMr032654; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:54:36 -0500 Received: (from segher@localhost) by gate.crashing.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id 157MsXQq032649; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:54:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: gate.crashing.org: segher set sender to segher@kernel.crashing.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:54:33 -0500 From: Segher Boessenkool To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Alexander Monakov , Jakub Jelinek , Alan Stern , "Paul E. McKenney" , Peter Zijlstra , Will Deacon , Andrea Parri , Boqun Feng , Nick Piggin , David Howells , Jade Alglave , Luc Maranget , Akira Yokosawa , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch Subject: Re: [RFC] LKMM: Add volatile_if() Message-ID: <20210607225433.GR18427@gate.crashing.org> References: <20210605145739.GB1712909@rowland.harvard.edu> <20210606001418.GH4397@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> <20210606012903.GA1723421@rowland.harvard.edu> <20210606185922.GF7746@tucnak> <20210607174206.GF18427@gate.crashing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 01:31:24PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > Is it useful in general for the kernel to have separate "read" and > > "write" clobbers in asm expressions? And for other applications? > > See above. It's actually not all that uncommon that you have a "this > doesn't modify memory, but you can't move writes around it". It's > usually very much about cache handling or memory ordering operations, > and that bit test example was probably a bad example exactly because > it made it look like it's about some controlled range. > > The "write memory barroer" is likely the best and simplest example, > but it's in not the only one. Thanks for the examples! I opened so that we can easily track it. Segher