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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sultan Alsawaf <sultan@kerneltoast.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kbuild: treat char as always signed
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:11:46 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHmME9p6BKrV6r3Rh5Cwq2AvV6-=ZQEKK=k10EqV_+yDCdWq4g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjsbYJuO=3331LmQGePXWAdHEdT33HOup53shjMJFan6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 6:11 PM Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 1:35 PM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wish folks would use `u8 *` when they mean "byte array".
>
> Together with '-funsigned-char', we could typedef 'u8' to just 'char'
> (just for __KERNEL__ code, though!), and then we really could just use
> 'strlen()' and friends on said kind of arrays without any warnings.
>
> But we do have a *lot* of 'unsigned char' users, so it would be a huge
> amount of churn to do this kind of thing.

I think, though, there's an argument to be made that every use of
`unsigned char` is much better off as a `u8`. We don't have any C23
fancy unicode strings. As far as I can tell, the only usage of
`unsigned char` ought to be "treat this as a byte array", and that's
what u8 is for. Yea, that'd be churn. But technically, it wouldn't
really be difficult churn: If naive-sed mangles that, I'm sure
Coccinelle would be up to the task. If you think that's a wise
direction, I can play with it and see how miserable it is to do.

(As a sidebar, Sultan and I were discussing today... I find the
radical extension of this idea to its logical end somewhat attractive:
exclusively using u64, s64, u32, s32, u16, s16, u8, s8, uword (native
size), sword (native size), char (string/character). It'd hardly look
like C any more, though, and the very mention of the idea is probably
triggering for some. So I'm not actually suggesting we do that in
earnest. But there is some appeal.)

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-20  3:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-19 16:26 [PATCH] kbuild: treat char as always signed Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-19 16:54 ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-10-19 17:14   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-19 17:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-19 18:10       ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-10-19 18:35         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-19 19:23           ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-10-19 19:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-19 17:43     ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-10-19 18:11       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-19 18:20         ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-10-19 18:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-19 19:11             ` Kees Cook
2022-10-19 19:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-19 20:35                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-20  0:10                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-20  3:11                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2022-10-19 20:15             ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-10-19 21:07         ` David Laight
2022-10-19 21:26           ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-10-20 10:41         ` Gabriel Paubert
2022-10-21 22:46           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-22  6:06             ` Gabriel Paubert
2022-10-22 18:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-23 20:23                 ` Gabriel Paubert
2022-10-25 23:00                   ` Kees Cook
2022-10-26  0:04                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-26 15:41                       ` Kees Cook
2022-10-19 19:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-19 20:23   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-19 20:30     ` [PATCH v2] kbuild: treat char as always unsigned Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-19 23:56       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-20  0:02         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-20  0:38           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-20  2:59             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-20 18:41             ` Kees Cook
2022-10-21  1:01               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-20 20:24         ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-10-24  9:24       ` Dan Carpenter
2022-10-24  9:30         ` Dan Carpenter
2022-10-24 16:33           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-24 17:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 17:17               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-25 19:22                 ` Kalle Valo
2022-10-25 10:16               ` David Laight
2022-10-24 15:17         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-12-21 14:53       ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-21 15:05         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-12-21 15:23           ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-21 15:29           ` Rasmus Villemoes
2022-12-21 15:56             ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-21 17:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-12-21 17:19                 ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-21 18:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-12-21 19:08                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-12-21 21:01                     ` Guenter Roeck
2022-12-22 13:05                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-12-22 10:41                 ` David Laight
     [not found]                   ` <f02e0ac7f2d805020a7ba66803aaff3e31b5eeff.camel@t-online.de>
2022-12-24  9:47                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-12-30 11:39                     ` David Laight
2022-12-30 13:13                       ` David Laight
2023-01-02  8:29                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-12-21 17:49               ` Andreas Schwab
2022-12-21 16:57             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-19 20:58   ` [PATCH] kbuild: treat char as always signed David Laight
2022-10-26  0:10   ` make ctype ascii only? (was [PATCH] kbuild: treat char as always signed) Rasmus Villemoes
2022-10-26 18:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-27  7:59       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2022-10-27 18:28         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found] ` <202210201618.8XhEGsLd-lkp@intel.com>
2022-10-20 16:33   ` [PATCH] kbuild: treat char as always signed Jason A. Donenfeld

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