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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] Provide in-kernel headers for making it easy to extend the kernel
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:54:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190307165433.GA90983@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190307152303.GA9819@kroah.com>

On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:10 PM Joel Fernandes (Google)
> > > <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
> > > > Introduce in-kernel headers and other artifacts which are made available
> > > > as an archive through proc (/proc/kheaders.tar.xz file). This archive makes
> > > > it possible to build kernel modules, run eBPF programs, and other
> > > > tracing programs that need to extend the kernel for tracing purposes
> > > > without any dependency on the file system having headers and build
> > > > artifacts.
> > > >
> > > > On Android and embedded systems, it is common to switch kernels but not
> > > > have kernel headers available on the file system. Raw kernel headers
> > > > also cannot be copied into the filesystem like they can be on other
> > > > distros, due to licensing and other issues. There's no linux-headers
> > > > package on Android. Further once a different kernel is booted, any
> > > > headers stored on the file system will no longer be useful. By storing
> > > > the headers as a compressed archive within the kernel, we can avoid these
> > > > issues that have been a hindrance for a long time.
> > > >
> > > > The feature is also buildable as a module just in case the user desires
> > > > it not being part of the kernel image. This makes it possible to load
> > > > and unload the headers on demand. A tracing program, or a kernel module
> > > > builder can load the module, do its operations, and then unload the
> > > > module to save kernel memory. The total memory needed is 3.8MB.
> > > >
> > > > The code to read the headers is based on /proc/config.gz code and uses
> > > > the same technique to embed the headers.
> > > >
> > > > To build a module, the below steps have been tested on an x86 machine:
> > > > modprobe kheaders
> > > > rm -rf $HOME/headers
> > > > mkdir -p $HOME/headers
> > > > tar -xvf /proc/kheaders.tar.xz -C $HOME/headers >/dev/null
> > > > cd my-kernel-module
> > > > make -C $HOME/headers M=$(pwd) modules
> > > > rmmod kheaders
> > > 
> > > As the usage pattern will be accessing the individual files, what about
> > > implementing a file system that provides read-only access to the internal
> > > kheaders archive?
> > > 
> > >     mount kheaders $HOME/headers -t kheaders
> > 
> > I thought about it already. This is easier said than done though. The archive
> > is compressed from 40MB to 3.6MB. If we leave it uncompressed in RAM, then it
> > will take up the entire 40MB of RAM and in Android we don't even use
> > disk-based swap.
> > 
> > So we will need some kind of intra file compressed memory representation that
> > a filesystem can use for the backing store. I thought of RAM-backed squashfs
> > but it requires squashfs-tools to be installed at build time (which my host
> > distro itself didn't have).
> > 
> > It is just so much easier to use tar + xz at build time, and leave the
> > decompression task to the user. After decompression, the files will live on
> > the disk and the page-cache mechanism will free memory when/if the files fall
> > off the LRUs.
> > 
> > WDYT?
> 
> I think the compressed tarball is much simpler/easier overall.  If
> someone really wants the filesystem, they just uncompress it into a
> tmpfs mount.  It's much less moving kernel code to worry about.

Agreed, I also feel the same. thanks,

 - Joel


  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-07 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-01 16:08 [PATCH v4 1/2] Provide in-kernel headers for making it easy to extend the kernel Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-03-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] Add selftests for module build using in-kernel headers Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-03-02 21:59 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] Provide in-kernel headers for making it easy to extend the kernel kbuild test robot
2019-03-03 16:11   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-06 12:26     ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-03-06 17:49       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-07  4:59         ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-03-07 14:54           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-07 23:23       ` Justin Capella
2019-03-06 18:16     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-07  4:54       ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-03-03  2:04 ` kbuild test robot
2019-03-04 14:00 ` Qais Yousef
2019-03-05 16:27   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-04 22:48 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2019-03-05 16:25   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-07  8:58 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-03-07 15:03   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-07 15:23     ` Greg KH
2019-03-07 16:54       ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
     [not found]       ` <20190318185742.109dee5c@alans-desktop>
2019-03-18 21:11         ` Karim Yaghmour
2019-03-08  8:53     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-03-08 13:42       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-08 13:57         ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2019-03-08 14:04           ` Greg KH
2019-03-08 14:02         ` Greg KH
2019-03-08 17:58           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-08 17:59           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-03-09  7:16             ` Greg KH
2019-03-09 11:40               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-03-09 12:11                 ` Greg KH
2019-03-09 16:51                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2019-03-09 19:26                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-03-09 21:44                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2019-03-11  8:03                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-03-12 15:15                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2019-03-11 23:36                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-03-11 23:58                           ` Daniel Colascione
2019-03-12  0:39                             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-12  1:28                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-03-12  1:38                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-13  1:18                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-14 12:27                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-15 13:14                                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-12  1:45                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-03-12 15:26                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-03-12  1:22                             ` Steven Rostedt

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